Mexico/Brazil as a potential counterweight to the US?

sndef888

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Does anyone know how realistic it is for Mexico or Brazil to become a counterweight to the US, or even geopolitical rivals?

My gut tells me these 2 countries are highly infiltrated by CIA-backed politicians and US-funded NGOs, meaning any meaning resistance to US hegemony is impossible. Is this true?
 

Overbom

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Does anyone know how realistic it is for Mexico or Brazil to become a counterweight to the US, or even geopolitical rivals?
Impossible

My gut tells me these 2 countries are highly infiltrated by CIA-backed politicians and US-funded NGOs, meaning any meaning resistance to US hegemony is impossible. Is this true?
Yes, but it is not like these countries' weakness is only due to the US
 

ansy1968

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Does anyone know how realistic it is for Mexico or Brazil to become a counterweight to the US, or even geopolitical rivals?

My gut tells me these 2 countries are highly infiltrated by CIA-backed politicians and US-funded NGOs, meaning any meaning resistance to US hegemony is impossible. Is this true?
@sndef888 bro it will never happen as you stated the US will never allow a peer competitor on its periphery as in never. For the American its an enemy at the gate. I pity Mexico being a neighbor of the US is a curse, damned if you do and damned if you don't. They had become a Narco state due to the American Exceptionalism and laying the blame squarely on them for the problem they created.
 

AndrewS

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Does anyone know how realistic it is for Mexico or Brazil to become a counterweight to the US, or even geopolitical rivals?

My gut tells me these 2 countries are highly infiltrated by CIA-backed politicians and US-funded NGOs, meaning any meaning resistance to US hegemony is impossible. Is this true?

If Brazil got its act together, it has two-thirds of the US population and could have an economy which would be two-thirds of the size of the USA.

So Brazil would inevitably butt heads with the USA over the Caribbean
 

Richard Santos

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Mexico’s overwhelming interdependency with the US as well as the chronic weakness of the central government makes it improbable for any government in Mexico to survive even for a few month any serious US suspicion that it is moving towards the role of being significant liability to the US in the competition with China.

The exact same a[plies to Brazil, to a lesser degree. A government on course to make Brazil a liability for the US might survive as long as one or two election cycle in Brazil. But the degree is still overwhelmingly large in grand scheme of things and it will go no farther.

The problem fir China in its competition with the US is the US had nearly 200 years in which to acquire levers to prevent Latin America from becoming a liability to the US. Even before the US became a preeminent global power, other global powers were preoccupied with other concerns, and not one mounted any serious, sustained challenges to american efforts to gain hegemony over Central America and prevent European inroad into South America. The only challenges to the US hegemony inside Latin America really had been ideological, as an reaction by the disadvantaged classes in the society against the consequence of American sponsored exploitation, or ethnic, as in German emigrants supporting a pro-german and thus anti-american line during the two worlds, and not geopolitical or economic, as in securing a competitive position for a country against the US in the international arena.
 

Maikeru

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Mexico’s overwhelming interdependency with the US as well as the chronic weakness of the central government makes it improbable for any government in Mexico to survive even for a few month any serious US suspicion that it is moving towards the role of being significant liability to the US in the competition with China.

The exact same a[plies to Brazil, to a lesser degree. A government on course to make Brazil a liability for the US might survive as long as one or two election cycle in Brazil. But the degree is still overwhelmingly large in grand scheme of things and it will go no farther.

The problem fir China in its competition with the US is the US had nearly 200 years in which to acquire levers to prevent Latin America from becoming a liability to the US. Even before the US became a preeminent global power, other global powers were preoccupied with other concerns, and not one mounted any serious, sustained challenges to american efforts to gain hegemony over Central America and prevent European inroad into South America. The only challenges to the US hegemony inside Latin America really had been ideological, as an reaction by the disadvantaged classes in the society against the consequence of American sponsored exploitation, or ethnic, as in German emigrants supporting a pro-german and thus anti-american line during the two worlds, and not geopolitical or economic, as in securing a competitive position for a country against the US in the international arena.
During the Cold War the USSR made a good deal of trouble for the USA in the Americas, particularly in Cuba, Nicaragua and El Salvador. Such an approach at least diverts US attention and resources from confrontations elsewhere.
 

Richard Santos

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During the Cold War the USSR made a good deal of trouble for the USA in the Americas, particularly in Cuba, Nicaragua and El Salvador. Such an approach at least diverts US attention and resources from confrontations elsewhere.
ie, the inroads were ideological,
 

AndrewS

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The exact same a[plies to Brazil, to a lesser degree. A government on course to make Brazil a liability for the US might survive as long as one or two election cycle in Brazil. But the degree is still overwhelmingly large in grand scheme of things and it will go no farther.

You can actually see Brazil does a lot more trade with China than with the USA.


Plus the Brazilian example is why I see India's prospects as so dim, because they share too many of the same characteristics such as

corrupt populist incompetent government and laws
stark divisions in society eg race/wealth
infrastructure and housing
lack of education and meritocracy
time/work ethic

Brazil does have a few pockets of excellence (such as Embraer), but it's mostly a huge mess.
 
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