Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)


dtulsa

Junior Member
Been done before just look at the nuclear cruisers some were scrapped after only 10 years Now there is the waste
I suspect there are too many Admirals. There are two many of them that they can't even agree on a coherent plan. Let's just build the LCS and then retire them after a few years. That sounds like a plan. LOL.
 

Jura

General
Been done before just look at the nuclear cruisers some were scrapped after only 10 years Now there is the waste
there're two things:
  1. the waste (which doesn't matter as the Fed is like 22t in debt anyway)
  2. disabling the surface force (which matters considering the Chinese buildup)
Yesterday at 9:47 AM
somehow didn't realize until now it was so busy year (found this chart inside
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bd popeye

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Been done before just look at the nuclear cruisers some were scrapped after only 10 years Now there is the waste
The USN nuclear cruisers were scrapped because US DoD budget cuts after the Gulf War in 1991. In other words the
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had the ships retired. In addition the USN lacked enough nuclear trained engineering personal both enlisted and officer to man the cruisers due to budget cuts.

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dtulsa

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The USN nuclear cruisers were scrapped because US DoD budget cuts after the Gulf War in 1991. In other words the
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had the ships retired. In addition the USN lacked enough nuclear trained engineering personal both enlisted and officer to man the cruisers due to budget cuts.

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Popeye what about the others Leahy, California and Virginia class cruisers?
 

dtulsa

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So California class serverd roughly 17 or 18 years about the same as the Virginia class so they were about 1/2-2/3 through their life expectancy btw another try to decommission Truman was stopped yet again this time along with its air wing that would left the air wings at 8 count em 8 and the carriers at 10 until Ford if it ever gets to working as advertised but still only 8 air wings for 11 carriers Yikes!!!
Popeye what about the others Leahy, California and Virginia class cruisers?
 
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Brumby

Major
Been done before just look at the nuclear cruisers some were scrapped after only 10 years Now there is the waste
Frankly IMO you are completely missing the point

The proposal that DOD is making is a strategic realignment with its force structure. In simple terms it is betting the house on a future technology (unmanned vessels) of which the concept is unknown and the technology is unproven. It is mortgaging its existing assets for a future promise. The problem is that the USN does not have a good track record in recent memory of delivering new technologies. Think of the problems with the Ford carrier; the Zumwalt program and the little crappy ships (LCS). Borrowing the phrase from Lord of the Rings, the USN is now attempting a "program to screw them all".
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
Frankly IMO you are completely missing the point

The proposal that DOD is making is a strategic realignment with its force structure. In simple terms it is betting the house on a future technology (unmanned vessels) of which the concept is unknown and the technology is unproven. It is mortgaging its existing assets for a future promise. The problem is that the USN does not have a good track record in recent memory of delivering new technologies. Think of the problems with the Ford carrier; the Zumwalt program and the little crappy ships (LCS). Borrowing the phrase from Lord of the Rings, the USN is now attempting a "program to screw them all".
I didn't miss the point but you put it much more clearly than I did recently read quite a few articles about the cheap attritbital unmanned ships and I really have doubts about them as a ASW type decoy type possible but surface warfare air warfare better watch out and like you said the track record of the Navy quite literally Sucks Lately just read a article in the National interest about the possibility of the F35 and the next design going back to the Century Series model or have a different aircraft for each branch like the F14 F15 and F16 etc.
 

Jura

General
Frankly IMO you are completely missing the point

The proposal that DOD is making is a strategic realignment with its force structure. In simple terms it is betting the house on a future technology (unmanned vessels) of which the concept is unknown and the technology is unproven. It is mortgaging its existing assets for a future promise. The problem is that the USN does not have a good track record in recent memory of delivering new technologies. Think of the problems with the Ford carrier; the Zumwalt program and the little crappy ships (LCS). Borrowing the phrase from Lord of the Rings, the USN is now attempting a "program to screw them all".
scary "mortgaging its existing assets for a future promise"

it appears the geniuses will fix the warships count
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“The Navy is also likely to propose revising ship counting rules to add unmanned vessels, which would let it still reach 355,” Clark said. “That is likely the reason the Acting [Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly] talks about reaching 355 ships by 2030, even as the DoD budget currently proposes to shrink the manned portion of the fleet.”
 

bd popeye

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Popeye what about the others Leahy, California and Virginia class cruisers?
California and Virginia were all retired..early. They are in the chart I posted Leahy were replaced by Arleigh Burke DDGs. You can't keep operating oil fired ships indefinitely.

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (Dec. 11, 2019) Lt. Angelia O’Toole navigates the Freedom-variant littoral combat ship USS Detroit (LCS 7) from the ship’s bridge. During this deployment to the U.S. Southern Command’s area of responsibility, USS Detroit, with embarked helicopter and USCG law enforcement detachment, will support Joint Interagency Task Force South’s mission, which includes counter-drug patrols and detection and monitoring of illicit traffic in the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Devin Bowser/Released)
 

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