Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)


TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
If there's space for a vls, why did navy try out the hellfire vls and not mk41 based armament?
The Hellfire was added as the worry was more small attack craft like IRGC cigarette boats and pirates on fishing boats than attack capital ships.
Against small craft Hellfire would be more than enough. Why waste multi million dollar Harpoons on a fishing boats? LCS was built for Policing, Anti piracy. Asymmetric where the worst weapon the baddies have is a boat loaded with explosives.
 

Jura

General
The Hellfire was added as the worry was more small attack craft like IRGC cigarette boats and pirates on fishing boats than attack capital ships.
Against small craft Hellfire would be more than enough. Why waste multi million dollar Harpoons on a fishing boats? LCS was built for Policing, Anti piracy. Asymmetric where the worst weapon the baddies have is a boat loaded with explosives.
I'm guessing the debater meant


background:
Jan 17, 2019
also would like to preserve here the look at an Independence-variant bow from
Apr 11, 2017
post:



I leave out the question of how many Mk41 eight-cell modules (about 6.7 meters long, don't know how wide, but not much) might fit in that space and how,
as it's irrelevant
 

Jura

General
The State of LCS: Navy Pushing More Ships to Sea This Fall as Class Matures
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I've now read all of it and am afraid the LCS Projects is a scheme to disable the USN surface force (why anybody sane would want to have so many subvariants??)
 

Brumby

Major
The U.S. Navy just deployed its new ship-killer missile to China’s backyard
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clickbait saying an LCS has recently deployed with the NSM AShMs
Considering how slow the program was moving, it is still commendable that they finally installed the NSM onto one of the LCS. It seems like ot took forever.
 

Jura

General
Considering how slow the program was moving, it is still commendable that they finally installed the NSM onto one of the LCS. It seems like ot took forever.
no! there's nothing "commendable" about the USN LCSs, and the situation should be investigated like
  1. why quote unquote warships are armed ten years after commissioning
  2. why at the same time incredible numbers of hulls are being ordered
  3. why oceans were vacated as a result of #1, #2
I can't believe the USN Admirals would be such a bunch of fools causing the above!

I mean there must be something fishy about 2010 block buy!
 

Brumby

Major
no! there's nothing "commendable" about the USN LCSs, and the situation should be investigated like
  1. why quote unquote warships are armed ten years after commissioning
  2. why at the same time incredible numbers of hulls are being ordered
  3. why oceans were vacated as a result of #1, #2
I can't believe the USN Admirals would be such a bunch of fools causing the above!

I meant there must be something fishy about 2010 block buy!
Whether you believe or not, you have witnessed history on how not to run a program but then unfortunately no one learns from history.
 

Jura

General
Whether you believe or not, you have witnessed history on how not to run a program but then unfortunately no one learns from history.
well I seldom use exclamation marks, but there're three 58 minutes ago

the Pentagon full of talking "advantage over China and Russia" these days and churning out LCSs at the same time, what a waist of resources, a loss of capability

but yeah, whatever
 

Jura

General
I guess it's important The Navy's New Pacific Maintenance Team Can Fix an LCS on the Fly
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A new support site at a Singapore Navy base is shaking up the way the service maintains its long-criticized
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as the vessels start to resume overseas missions.

Sailors,
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civilians and contractors are manning a new maintenance support center at Changi Naval Base, Singapore. Members of the crew not only work on the littoral combat ship Montgomery when it pulls into port there, but also as it operates in other parts of the region.

That has allowed the Montgomery, which is on its first
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, to continue its forward-deployed presence while getting the maintenance it needs on the fly, Cmdr. Edward Rosso, commanding officer of the ship's blue crew, told reporters Wednesday.

"We're able to actually do expeditionary maintenance and conduct maintenance in various forms," he said.

Rosso gave an example of the support crew meeting up with the
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in Sattahip, Thailand, to make repairs. While declining to say what was wrong with the ship, he said the team's response proves they can have "24-hour, seven-day-a-week, hands-on support" for deployed littoral combat ships.

"[Getting] the right maintenance at the right time in the right port enabled us to continue our presence out here," Rosso said, adding there are more expeditionary upkeep plans scheduled for the ship.

That allows the crew to continue operations away from its maintenance hub in Singapore.

Rosso said the maintenance efforts were prompted by lessons learned from LCS deployments. The LCS program was plagued with mechanical breakdowns on several of its ships from 2015 to 2016, prompting congressional hearings.

The CO acknowledged that's what has made Montgomery's first deployment so significant.

"This is not the first time LCS has been deployed to this region, but Montgomery represents the return of rotational deployments along with opportunity to continue building on LCS deployments that have come before us," Rosso said.

The Montgomery, which left San Diego in late May, was the first LCS to head overseas this year, following a program overhaul that kept them from heading out to sea for nearly two years. The ships now have blue and gold crews, similar to those on some submarines, to keep them operating at a fast pace.

Rosso said he's been able to see firsthand the benefits of having an LCS in the Asia-Pacific region. The ship has been able to pull into shallow ports bigger vessels wouldn't have been able to visit, he said, allowing the crew the chance to work with a range of regional navies.

The Montgomery started its deployment to the region with what Rosso called a historic visit to Davao City in the Philippines.

"It's a beautiful port that was perfectly suited to receive our shallow-hull littoral combat ship," he said. "This was the first visit by a U.S. warship to that location in recent memory."

He credits the Montgomery's crew with making its first deployment a success.

"My crew is the crew that commissioned Montgomery," Rosso said. "They know this ship. It's their ship, and they brought it to life. It was really special for them to bring it on this main deployment."
 

Jura

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supposedly a success story
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Navy Shallow-Draft LCS Increases U.S. Access, Presence in Southeast Asia

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When the littoral combat ship (LCS) USS Montgomery (LCS 8) visited Davao City, a port on the Philippine island of Mindanao, earlier this summer, it was the first port call there of a U.S. Navy ship in who knows how long.

Speaking to reporters Sept. 11 in a media roundtable teleconference, Cmdr. Edward A. Rosso, commanding officer of the ship’s Blue Crew, was making the point that the LCS, with its shallow draft, allows the Navy to make port calls in locations that would not accommodate larger vessels such as destroyers, cruisers and amphibious warfare ships.

The draft of the aluminum trimaran-hull, Independence-variant Montgomery is 15.1 feet, compared with the 30.5-foot draft of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.

“The U.S. Navy, along with our partners and allies, has long known the importance and value of working together, and from my perspective, that is exactly what Montgomery has done during this deployment,” Rosso said. “We began our time in theater with a historic port visit to Davao City in the Philippines. It perfectly suited to receive our shallow-hull littoral combat ship. This was the first visit by a U.S. warship to that location in recent memory.”

“It was a great opportunity to build relationships, learn from one another, improve interoperability, and appreciate culture,” he added. “Overall, port visits like this allow us to demonstrate our commitment to maritime security in the region while strengthening relationships with our friends, partners and allies.”

The Montgomery is the first rotational deployment to the Western Pacific of an LCS in 18 months and is the first of three LCSs the Navy plans to deploy this year.

The last LCS to deploy, USS Coronado (LCS 4), returned from the western Pacific on Dec. 5, 2017. It had been preceded by the USS Freedom (LCS 1) and its Freedom-class sister ship, USS Fort Worth (LCS 3), in 2015 and 2016, respectively.

During the deployment, Montgomery participated in the 25th annual CARAT (Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training) exercise and the ASEAN-US Maritime Exercise (AUMX).

“Co-led by the U.S. and Royal Thai navies, AUMX consisted of pre-sail activities in Thailand, Singapore and Brunei, followed by a sea phase in international waters of Southeast Asia, including the Gulf of Thailand and South China Sea,” a Navy release said. “It concluded in Singapore. Participating nations included Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, United States and Vietnam. AUMX included eight warships and four aircraft from seven countries, and more than one thousand personnel representing all ten ASEAN member states and the United States.”

The Montgomery deployed with the Surface Warfare Mission Package, including an MH-60S helicopter and an MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned aerial vehicle.

Rosso praised the value of the LCS Maintenance Support Team deployed to Singapore to support LCS deployments to the area. The team can stage to various ports in the region to rapidly respond to maintenance needs of a deployed LCS. In one such response, the team made a major repair at Sattahip, Thailand.

He also praised his crew, of which he said, “The things on this ship wouldn’t have happened without my crew,” whom he called “100 people of excellence.”
 

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