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It's total crapshit.
Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario
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It's total crapshit.
OPFOR use, evaluation, possible resale to other parties that may want to be more discrete about buying Iranian. It is not totally credible, but it is also not totally out of the question. I have strong doubts that the PLA plans to actually use it against enemies.
Tbh maybe if Iran really insists it as part of their anti US efforts, China might not mind equipment being sent. One of the goals which Beijing can go for is to make China into a hard target to maximally deter US from invading.
Plenty of reservists in China that would know how to operate drones.
Facing a potential invasion from the world's 2nd largest economy and the largest army is no laughing matter, even if China's situation is nowhere as dire as Ukraine's, Beijing would be foolish to decline material support if it is offered.
broadsword
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China has been striving for self-sufficiency starting with Soviet/Russian equipment. It has everything needed to make drones and relying on Iran is not as convenient as relying on Russia which shares a long border. And no reason to buy 15,000, not even as a help. The report is just fake news.
If there is a deal this big (we are not talking about hundreds, but tens of thousands of drones) it is strange that there has been no info from the Chinese side. Not even a pipsqueak.
Said source also claimed that Iran already started delivering to China. Have we seen Iranian planes flying to China yet? OSINT guys are usually on top of such things. When Russia acquired drones from Iran there were dozens of planes landing and unloading packages.
Said source also claimed that Iran already started delivering to China. Have we seen Iranian planes flying to China yet? OSINT guys are usually on top of such things. When Russia acquired drones from Iran there were dozens of planes landing and unloading packages.
Please just stop. They have plenty of fire power and will continue to add more. Let's not limit our imagination for the low end stuff that Russians and Ukrainians are using
The air defense equipment of Ukraine (and Russia) are not as low end as one might think.
They inherited a huge number of air defenses especially in the shorter ranges from the USSR, which greatly emphasised land based air defenses. Their air defense grid may approach or even surpass that of Japan's, and its defintely way better than Korea and Philippines, to say nothing of KMT forces inside China.
Hell, low tiers of Chinese air defense grids follow a similar philosophy and equipment style as Ukraine's.
Let's do some mental maths here, shaheds really aren't breaking any new grounds or using any technology that a run of the mill scooter company and RC avionics equipment company is not capable of and China literally manufactures 10s of millions of both a year.
This is like before electric scooters are counted. There is nothing fancy about a fibre glass body with a GPS receiver.
The assertion that China would buy such a low tech product from Iran is quite laughable to say the least, it would be equivalent to France buying tejas from India when they can make rafales.
This is like before electric scooters are counted. There is nothing fancy about a fibre glass body with a GPS receiver.
The assertion that China would buy such a low tech product from Iran is quite laughable to say the least, it would be equivalent to France buying tejas from India when they can make rafales.
China would be smart to examine military technology from other countries, including Iran. The western propaganda that Iran is incapable of producing anything of value is just propaganda. But the Iranian government also has a habit of spreading fake news or hyperbole.
I hope that China isn't too arrogant to buy 15 of them just to check if there is anything useful to learn. But 15,000 is obviously untrue, I don't understand why anyone believes it. Iran also has a 5th generation fighter plane programme, if you believe what the government says.
I hope that China isn't too arrogant to buy 15 of them just to check if there is anything useful to learn. But 15,000 is obviously untrue, I don't understand why anyone believes it. Iran also has a 5th generation fighter plane programme, if you believe what the government says.
Well, the components in Shahed are known. Its dual use engine + electronics sourced from China, mated to Iranian fiberglass frames and explosives.
Maybe it's mostly fake news but it would also not be that strange if Iran contracts China to build 15000 Shahed inside the country, as these can then be sent to Russia immediately.
For China that makes on a yearly basis millions of these engines that are the main bottleneck components for Shahed, 15000 would not even be a very impressive number, it'd just be the starting initial production run once a manufacturer has been shown the blueprints.
Russian rate of shahed use is slowing and Iran may need its own weapons more due to Israeli threats.
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