Ladakh Flash Point

Div · Jul 25, 2021

Xsizor said:
China doesn't claim to have a free press? You are engaging in whataboutism here. The screenshot includes both Indian and foreign press ( including WaPo). The leaked numbers were released by a consortium of press.

The seventeen participating media are Forbidden Stories, The Washington Post, Le Monde, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, The Guardian, Daraj, Direkt36, Le Soir, Knack, Radio France, The Wire, Proceso, Aristegui Noticias, the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, Haaretz and PBS “Frontline”.

Again give me proof from the court of law glorious one conjecture can mean anything

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Is this true then I read it on the internet

Also this is written in your article as well glorious one

Suspected Chinese spies have regularly been detected in the hill station. A decade ago, a digital security specialist watched in disbelief as sensitive files on Tibetan government computers were extracted on the screen before his eyes – activity that led to the unearthing of a massive cyber-espionage network, known as GhostNet, which was largely traced to Chinese servers.

It must be true BCS I read it on the internet any court ruling from icj in your favour and like I say glorious one talk to that tibetian on twitter anonymously and ask him what rights he is being denied his views and twiiter timeline may surprise you

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here see his twitter feed

Div · Jul 25, 2021

Xsizor said:
China doesn't claim to have a free press? You are engaging in whataboutism here. The screenshot includes both Indian and foreign press ( including WaPo). The leaked numbers were released by a consortium of press.
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The seventeen participating media are Forbidden Stories, The Washington Post, Le Monde, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, The Guardian, Daraj, Direkt36, Le Soir, Knack, Radio France, The Wire, Proceso, Aristegui Noticias, the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, Haaretz and PBS “Frontline”.

Dont need to get so worked up. I posted the screenshot as it was intended to show that other agencies picked it up. Tibetans refugees names being included among the 300 numbers of Indian origin ( while i'm pretty sure India has a huge population and more potential targets) was telling.

Tibet isn't a partisan issue in India is it ?

Correlation is not causation just BCS Thier names are on a list withs 50000 other names form Pakistan US etc you are assuming spying etc on the NSO your proof just BCS they said so no court no Judgement just conjecture talk to me when you bring proof also a name of an tibetian I can talk to anonymously on weibo

manqiangrexue · Jul 25, 2021

Div said:
I don't say India is bad china is good both are different and good in Thier own way

We wouldn't say that. Good and bad can mean anything. India and China are very different.

China has a skyrocketting GDP, a tech sector that can challenge (and defeat in some areas) the United States, a self-made military that is the lone cause of worry for the Pentagon, only major nation with COVID under control, Olympic gold medals like they grow on trees, a society known for STEM emphasis with top representation all over the world in math/science competitions, etc...

India is known for destroying their own equipment and killing thier own people in the military, an economy in recession, a capital paralyzed by farmer protests, technology (both civilian and military) dependent on imports, so many COVID deaths nobody can or even dares to count, a media that is allergic to telling the truth, the largest country that has no meaningful impact at the Olympics, open defecation on the beach, etc...

So we don't need to say good or bad in absolute terms but if you like high tech and success, China is good for you and if you like well... defecating on the beach while watching COVID corpses burn, then India is the greatest country there is!

Xizor · Jul 25, 2021

Div said:
Again give me proof from the court of law glorious one conjecture can mean anything

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Is this true then I read it on the internet

Also this is written in your article as well glorious one

Suspected Chinese spies have regularly been detected in the hill station. A decade ago, a digital security specialist watched in disbelief as sensitive files on Tibetan government computers were extracted on the screen before his eyes – activity that led to the unearthing of a massive cyber-espionage network, known as GhostNet, which was largely traced to Chinese servers.

It must be true BCS I read it on the internet any court ruling from icj in your favour and like I say glorious one talk to that tibetian on twitter anonymously and ask him what rights he is being denied his views and twiiter timeline may surprise you

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here see his twitter feed

More whataboutism.

I included Tibetans in India in the Ladakh thread because...they are playing a significant role in the Ladakh clash. Seems like Tibet need separate thread.

He is certainly being denied to the right to protest that too in front of the chinese embassy. He calls Indians to join him.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411298978256211972

tallgamer · Jul 25, 2021

The government was ofcourse spying on various people. Legally wrong.
Its a internal Indian matter which comes up regularly as long as i can remember. Previously it was phones being tapped.
All off topic.

Div · Jul 25, 2021

Xsizor said:
More whataboutism.

I included Tibetans in India in the Ladakh thread because...they are playing a significant role in the Ladakh clash. Seems like Tibet need separate thread.

He is certainly being denied to the right to protest that too in front of the chinese embassy. He calls Indians to join him.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411298978256211972

When Siddharth Varadarajan, co-founder of the Wire, an independent online outlet in India, learned that Security Lab’s analysis showed that his phone had been targeted and penetrated by Pegasus, his mind immediately ran through his sensitive sources. He thought about a minister in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government who had displayed an unusual concern about surveillance when they met.
Again the source is the wire

Div · Jul 25, 2021

Xsizor said:
More whataboutism.

I included Tibetans in India in the Ladakh thread because...they are playing a significant role in the Ladakh clash. Seems like Tibet need separate thread.

He is certainly being denied to the right to protest that too in front of the chinese embassy. He calls Indians to join him.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411298978256211972

Why don't you talk to him on twitter and ask him what rights he is being denied and post it here glorious one then I will believe you fully you can make up anything from your head cannon give me proof
I have read various info on tibetians in china as well self immolation etc which are not even allowed to be spoken about some tibetian in India did self immolation in front of Chinese embassies they are detained for the safety of Indians and Chinese in Indian again ask him on twitter which rights he is being denied and reply to me don't use your head cannon

nugroho · Jul 25, 2021

ougoah said:
The airforce element is India's edge here. Along with more men they can bring to the frontline. China's strength here is only with artillery and missiles they can launch at Indian bases and airfields with India not yet having real means of intercepting. Overall if it's just western theatre vs IA and IAF and acting defensively, China has very little chance at being able to repel an Indian invasion up to at least Aksai Chin covered.

Therefore I'm assuming planners know there will be no war or they know that no war is winnable using conventional means unless they divert assets away from the east. Since that is out of the question, Indian invasion would only be met with using some asymmetric counters to address gap in troop numbers and equipment like aircraft positioned in this region. Artillery can't take care of 200,000 men moving in with vehicles and air support. PLAAF in that region and air defenses can only buy some time. So the PLA would almost certainly be forced to take offensive attacks on Indian bases and airfields to remove that threat. Without having confidence in being able to achieve the two or three lines of how the situation can develop, we would have seen much more dramatic addition of equipment to western theatre, particularly for the PLAAF there.

But I think India does not have logistic to support such a massive movement.
For me logistic is very important thing in a war, especially in mountain region

Xizor · Jul 25, 2021

Div said:
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Why don't you talk to him on twitter and ask him what rights he is being denied and post it here glorious one then I will believe you fully you can make up anything from your head cannon give me proof

You are asking me to talk to someone on twitter? He wasn't born in China so can't be chinese.

This was my original post regarding "rights".

Xsizor said:
Xsizor said:

That Tibetans are being used by India without any genuine concern for their aspirations and demands but as merely kerchiefs to waive at China.

They are being denied rights accorded to normal citizens, spied upon ( why would India spy upon them unless India was suspicious of them being double agents or untrustable ?) and live a life not very rosy ( despite India trying to paint it as otherwise).

In the context of both countries raising Tibetan origin troops it seemed a good post.

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In fact, Tibetan refugees are only allowed in India on the condition that they abstain from political protests against China – a clear suppression of their right to political expression as afforded by the UDHR.

.... To further exacerbate this issue, Tibetans are not represented in the local and central legislature and thus do not have readily available avenues for redress.

Central to the assessment is India’s lack of legal obligation to provide refugee protections or services. This is largely a consequence of India’s abstention from the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the subsequent 1967 Protocol, which, in addition to defining a refugee according to international law, outlines certain rights and services host states must afford them. With the exceptions of the customary international practice of non-refoulement and the obligation to provide asylum as outlined in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), India does not have international, regional, or national obligations to refugee populations on its soil (Feller 2006). Despite this, and despite the nation’s refusal to accede to the 1951 Convention, India argues its current refugee policy is in accordance with international norms. However, India has no national refugee law, and no regional agreement on the matter exists. The only mention of foreigners in Indian law are in the Registration of Foreigners Act of 1939, the Foreigners Act of 1946, and the Foreigners Order of 1948-- all of which employ the term foreigner, broadly defined as “a person who is not a citizen of India.” Among other practices, the 1946 Act and the 1948 Order allow the government to limit employment opportunities, freedom of association, and a foreigner’s possessions. These pieces of legislation also restrict movement inside India and prohibit select activities, most of which are political.

Div · Jul 25, 2021

Xsizor said:
You are asking me to talk to someone on twitter? He wasn't born in China so can't be chinese.

This was my original post regarding "rights".

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In fact, Tibetan refugees are only allowed in India on the condition that they abstain from political protests against China – a clear suppression of their right to political expression as afforded by the UDHR.

.... To further exacerbate this issue, Tibetans are not represented in the local and central legislature and thus do not have readily available avenues for redress.

It's not about rights it's about the safety of the citizens

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Violence is not allowed

Also good job on actually reading his twitter
How did you like it ?

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