Ladakh Flash Point

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hullopilllw

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Wow, Lying is so easy for you lot. You asked for a ban and back tracked once the mod rejected your wailing. Thats why i say that the Chinese should be dealt with based on their actions not words.
The undisputed facts are -
1. During the surge in covid , china decided to divert a large training force into disputed areas. Simultaneously it also picked fights with vietnam by sinking their boat and started aggressive air flights over Taiwan , etc.
My theory is that it was done to divert focus from the virus.
In india's case the planning was probably in place due to the doklam humiliation. The virus presented a good opportunity.
No one here likes to address why the Chinese chose this pandemic time to move when other transgressions were very minor before ?

2. Various reasons like India building infrastructure close to the border were given but the fact is the Chinese moved because they could due to superior fire power. The bottomline is "power flows through the barrel of the gun " for the Chinese. So against india they moved but against the west they are afraid, so the US fleets regular sailing into chinese claimed waters is met with spokespersons deploring and protesting.
They have super power delusions and unfortunately zero internal checks. We have seen how usa behaves as a superpower with some semblance of internal checks, now imagine a self righteous china claiming its 'rightful' position ? Not my words , just go back a few pages and read the chinese posters boasting of the rise of China.

3. The Chinese aggressions are not surprising for a independent observer but only for delusional Indian policy makers. The Chinese incursions have been happening on a regular basis since the 90s , when the bjp was not around. Indians are relying on the good intentions of the Chinese to not man the Chinese border, which is understandable as its a long and difficult border to man. But its poor defence. The Congress government had decided to make a new mountain force based on the Chinese actions but was mostly shelved because of cost .
But convenience does not trump reality. Modi the new 'hope' tried to build relations by having 19 meetings with xi in 5 years , but Chinese policy and actions are not based on 5 yearly election results. The Chinese are just continuing what they have been doing on a smaller scale.
If the blatant military and nuclear support to a country like Pakistan is not enough to open the government's eyes , i have no idea what is ? Solely look at the actions , not quotes from Confucius.

4. The Chinese have totally miscalculated this time. Problem is that no one knows what the Chinese government has in mind. The people here are just blind supporters and my first question , what was the reason behind the major incursion was not answered. Because its inconvenient and they dont know. They know the Chinese are the aggressors and try to spin it , unconvincingly.

Xi has managed to push a reluctant India into the American camp. The antipathy to USA in Indian government circles is well known because of American support to Pakistan. They are considered unprincipled and good solely for transactional relationships.
But from a practical viewpoint thanks to China, India has been pushed into securing its eastern borders at a minimum cost . The mountain brigade is being revived. The Tibetan's are being featured prominently. The Dalai Lama has been wished publicly by Modi for the first time in 6 years. We are acquiring arms at a faster rate, bypassing the bureaucracy. Infrastructure building in the border with China is now on a war footing.
The gloves are off. Its like the kargil and Mumbai massacre moment with Pakistan. All the peaceniks are sidelined and practical actions are in place.
Let the insults flow.....
You are overthinking, China's main strategic opponent is the US. India is and WILL never be a military concern.

Nor does China ever need to be on the good side of India, there is not much your side can offer which appeal to the Chinese.

Now kindly take back all your fake degree holding immigrants from Singapore, we had enough of your kins leeching off the IT visas here bringing in the entire villages after infiltrating the HR depts.
 

Xizor

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Here Chinese talk to him on twitter

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Ask him which rights he is being denied and while you are at it why not give me the names of some Chinese tibetians I can talk to on twitter
You can access Twitter right ?
what am I saying of course you can

Also spied upon your source is the wire they lie incessantly I don't believe them

However, the presence of their phone numbers on the list may not mean that their devices were infected by the spyware
. Only forensic analysis of the device can confirm whether this was the case. the NSO Group has claimed that the leaked database is not a list of Pegasus targets or potential targets.

live a life not very rosy

I believe the grass is always greener on the other side his life may not be as rosy as a Chinese Tibetians like I said give me a name of Chinese tibetian to talk to on twitter then I will see how rosy his life is

That Tibetans are being used by India without any genuine concern for their aspirations and demands but as merely kerchiefs to waive at China.

We shall see it's still up in the air give me a name of a Chinese tibetian on twitter glorious one
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Many news agencies have reported on the Pegasus tool (potentially othw) being used by Indian government on Tibetans.
For what reason would their numbers be present other than for spying or potential spying targets?
And NSO saying so is trustable for you?

Why twitter? You can go to Tibet and enquire the Chinese citizens there. Grass is certainly greener on the Chinese side.

As for asking him what rights are being denied -
His answer would likely be The right to protest.
 

Div

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For what reason would their numbers be present other than for spying or potential spying targets?
And NSO saying so is trustable for you?

Why twitter? You can go to Tibet and enquire the Chinese citizens there. Grass is certainly greener on the Chinese side.

As for asking him what rights are being denied -
His answer would likely be The right to protest.
You can't endanger and protest in front of embassies

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It can lead to detention

Many news agencies have reported the Pegasus tool being used by Indian government Tibetans

Do these news agencies have proof I can post something on china and hundreds of links will come from BBC gaurdian etc doesn't mean they are true Thier is no proof

Why twitter? You can go to Tibet and enquire the Chinese citizens there. Grass is certainly greener on the Chinese side.

Ok I will take your word for it still no twitter from which the glorious ones gather info on India I thought you would at least have a name of a Chinese tibetian on twitter no one really?
 

Xizor

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You can't endanger and protest in front of embassies

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It can lead to detention

Many news agencies have reported the Pegasus tool being used by Indian government Tibetans
Do these news agencies have proof I can post something on china and hundreds of links will come from BBC gaurdian etc doesn't mean they are true Thier is no proof
He doesn't know this? Why is he complaining then?

As I said - not the sharpest tool in the shed.


Regarding Pegasus -

I've selected Indian news reports Itself. And Hindu, Business Standard, The print included

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Div

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He doesn't know this? Why is he complaining then?

As I said - not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Yes I can also see your agenda as well do you want links from which site gaurdian or BBC Thier is no proof

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Also good job with the screenshot did you read those articles they are all saying the same stuff without evidence

Also go to Tibet thanks but no thanks don't want to get detained for interviews I want to talk to them anonymously like you are now is that too much to ask you can even give me a weibo account of some of them I can Access it using VPN why should I go Thier in person that's just shifting goal posts
 

Div

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He doesn't know this? Why is he complaining then?

As I said - not the sharpest tool in the shed.


Regarding Pegasus -

I've selected Indian news reports Itself. And Hindu, Business Standard, The print included

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They are using the wire as a source

According to a report in The Wire, which is part of the consortium, the numbers of several Tibetan officials, activists and monks were marked for potential surveillance from 2017 to 2019.

3 of the articles you used in your screenshot use the wires conjecture as evidence pls bring me substantial proof

Again this is what is being said in the article

The presence of a number on the list doesn’t convey that it was necessarily targeted with Pegasus spyware, only that these were persons of interest for potential surveillance, the Pegasus Project has said.

The NSO Group, which owns Pegasus and claims to only deal with governments as clients, has denied any link between these numbers and surveillance attempts.

He noted that the publisher of the reports has pointed out that it cannot say if the numbers in the list were under surveillance, and the company whose technology was allegedly used has “denied these claims outrightly”.

Quoting the NSO Group, which owns Pegasus, he said: “NSO Group believes that claims that you have been provided with, are based on misleading interpretation of leaked data from basic information, such as HLR (Home Location Register, which provides permanent subscriber information of a mobile network) Lookup services, which have no bearing on the list of the customers’ targets of Pegasus or any other NSO products. Such services are openly available to anyone, anywhere, and anytime, and are commonly used by governmental agencies as well as by private companies worldwide.

“It is also beyond dispute that the data has nothing to do with surveillance or with NSO, so there can be no factual basis to suggest that a use of the data somehow equates to surveillance”.

Where is the proof solid concrete evidence in the court of law
Innocent until proven guilty
 

ougoah

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This is getting real off topic.

Indians just want to talk about things that are unquantifiable because it gives them leeway in their claims.

Basically Indians - India is better than China, just look at all this news but please ignore all that other stuff just look at what I'm showing you. See India is better and nicer country and culture than China's so therefore India is more entitled and deserving. China bad, India good. Okay?

Arguing in that way will never produce results. It's always a he said she said and in the complex real world, it is endless. There is plenty of good in India and bad in China and plenty of good in China and bad in India. Some people will never see and admit that and want the world to work their preferred way. Thankfully that's not how it operates.

You can't claim you are better because you say so yourself and therefore everyone should admit they're wrong about everything and you're right about everything.

That's for the off topic stuff. New members please just refrain from off topic posting? Moderators should clear up all the off-topic material. More fitting for a endless pol forum where sides will argue till the end of time about who is better and more virtuous. It's the foolish man's errand.
 

Div

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This is getting real off topic.

Indians just want to talk about things that are unquantifiable because it gives them leeway in their claims.

Basically Indians - India is better than China, just look at all this news but please ignore all that other stuff just look at what I'm showing you. See India is better and nicer country and culture than China's so therefore India is more entitled and deserving. China bad, India good. Okay?

Arguing in that way will never produce results. It's always a he said she said and in the complex real world, it is endless. There is plenty of good in India and bad in China and plenty of good in China and bad in India. Some people will never see and admit that and want the world to work their preferred way. Thankfully that's not how it operates.

You can't claim you are better because you say so yourself and therefore everyone should admit they're wrong about everything and you're right about everything.

That's for the off topic stuff. New members please just refrain from off topic posting? Moderators should clear up all the off-topic material. More fitting for a endless pol forum where sides will argue till the end of time about who is better and more virtuous. It's the foolish man's errand.
I don't say India is bad china is good both are different and good in Thier own way I just want the proof for his claims xszior is using twitter links and Indian media he himself claims to be false and untrue and posts them without even reading it wher is the proof in the court of law
 

Xizor

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Yes I can also see your agenda as well do you want links from which site gaurdian or BBC Thier is no proof

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Also good job with the screenshot did you read those articles they are all saying the same stuff without evidence
China doesn't claim to have a free press? You are engaging in whataboutism here. The screenshot includes both Indian and foreign press ( including WaPo). The leaked numbers were released by a consortium of press.
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The seventeen participating media are Forbidden Stories, The Washington Post, Le Monde, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, The Guardian, Daraj, Direkt36, Le Soir, Knack, Radio France, The Wire, Proceso, Aristegui Noticias, the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, Haaretz and PBS “Frontline”.
I just want the proof for his claims xszior is using twitter links and Indian media he himself claims to be false and untrue and posts them without even reading it wher is the proof in the court of law
Dont need to get so worked up. I posted the screenshot as it was intended to show that other agencies picked it up. Tibetans refugees names being included among the 300 numbers of Indian origin ( while i'm pretty sure India has a huge population and more potential targets) was telling.

Tibet isn't a partisan issue in India is it ?
 
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