The problem is they develop an inflated sense of ego and aggression and will start causing even more trouble thinking their enemy is "weak" because they didn't outright destroy them. This is why it's good to have real material to check Indian ego, though as we can see, some of them do disbelieve their own eyes and sometimes even try to twist things so they still come out a winner. It is still better than nothing though. You can't lose if you don't think you can lose. India's greatest weapon is the spin machine in it's media.
Ladakh Flash Point
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coolieno99
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I also have question about the enigmatic Indian.
Indians do not look like Tibetans, and don't speak the Tibetan language. And there's no Indians living in Tibet. Zero. Aksai Chin is on the Tibetan plateau. Why the Indians want a piece of Tibet so badly?
Maybe someone here wiser than me might know the answer.
They keep saying China gonna cut off their rivers.
Also, Indians want to free Tibetans, Uyghurs, HKers, TWese
coolieno99
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The induction of 5 jet planes is big news.
Every month over 4,000 Indian children died from malnourishment is not even news.
I disagree. Actually, I believe it's the total opposite. Had the conflict happened the Korea Peninsula, it would really be a set back. But Ladakh is different. Ladakh is effectively on the plateau where supply is really limited compare to large land warfare on any great plain area. The kind of warfare that will happen in Ladakh, would be high tech warfare with special forces. Which is exactly what the PLAN, PLAAF is expanding on. Ladakh will especially give the PLAAF a perfect testing ground to prove some of its new systems. This is exactly why the Indian and the Western propaganda system has being working hard to try to dissuade China from escalating.
Besides, modern military are really highly integrated with each other. An increase in funding in the Rocket Forces does NOT in anyway weakens the Navy, because they work together, especially in China's case.
If they really want to drag China into a land war in order to divert its resources from navy and Air force, they will create a perfectly vulnerably situation in which China will bite on and dive all the way deep into India. What China will normally do, is to limit the battle ground to the only plateau (Kashmir).
The only possible case in which China will be forced to involve Herself, is if India and Pakistan start a land war, and Pakistan fall under disadvantage, while at the same time, India reveals her own internal instability. This will draw China in, and eventually force China to assume the role of Peace-keeping a large chunk of India along side Russia and the US. This will really drain China, because it will basically turn India into a mega size post-Saddam Iraq. Because of the proximity, neither a strong and aggressive India, nor a weak and divided India is truly in China's interest.
China can handle India on the plateau (Kashimir) perfectly fine with the resources and forces NanJing and Xinjiang military district now have. India have not shown any intention nor ability to start a total way with Pakistan and China.
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No this is real, I heard this news from multiple sources a few days ago too.
If you look at all the hand to hand fighting in the last 6 month, particularly the two big ones you see they've always been at night. India have just realised, just as the Americans did in Korea that PLA is master of night combat.
Also the indians want to free Manchuria. 
Lol the typical comment on these articles. It's the same over at DFI.
Lol the typical comment on these articles. It's the same over at DFI.
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SinoSoldier
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Is this not a time of tension? And insofar as the surge goes, there has been increased deployment of J-11s and a few JH-7 and H-6H (apparently not H-6K as previously thought). Granted, there are some strike elements in the mix, but within the overall deployment picture, it has mostly been air-to-air assets that were mobilized. Whether the PLAAF will play a supportive or an organic interdiction role remains to be seen (and hopefully never seen).
Our discussion isn't an IAF vs PLAAF comparison but rather that of the deployed assets relevant to this conflict, so it's not worth bringing up the 100+ H-6Ks in the PLAAF inventory or even its other strike platforms. I don't think we need a discussion to understand that the IAF, as a whole, does not match the PLAAF in either technology or quantity. AFAIK the PLAAF forward-deployed H-6H and JH-7 aircraft are each in single-digit quantities. The 200-km-range KD-88s do not have TERCOM or DSMAC capabilities that allow it remain low during cruise so as to avoid IAF radar. Neither do the KD-63/B ALCMs that the H-6Hs carry.
And I was mistaken in believing that the H-6 variant deployed at Kashgar was the CJ-10-capable "K" version; they were in fact the much older "H" iteration that is only compatible with the 200-km-range KD-63B.
So in this respect the Rafales and their complementary Storm Shadows do give the IAF a strike advantage against the PLAAF hardware in the region. And while the PLAAF is certainly capable of reaching targets within India, that alone doesn't preclude the IAF from hitting critical PLAAF/PLAGF infrastructure deep within China. This alone might sway the perspective which PLA brass holds of India's forces.
Again, this isn't a discussion about the IAF vs PLAAF as a whole. I agree that 5 Rafales (even 36 for that matter) do not put a dent in the technology and numerical advantage that the PLAAF enjoys over its Indian counterpart, but within the realm of the Ladakh standoff things are less lopsided. A good analogy would be the Argentinian air force vs the RAF during the Falklands war.
One could argue that the PLAAF could merely deploy more forces in the region should the need arise, but so far we haven't seen a significant shift of their higher-end units to southern airbases (correct me if I'm wrong). No massive buildup of J-16/J-10B/C/H-6K have occurred in regions close to Hotan AB or Kashgar AB. Additionally, if conflict does break out at a moment's notice, PLAAF aircraft deployed elsewhere might not make it in time to have as major of an influence as they would've had they been deployed to Hotan/Kashgar in the first place.
I think you make a valid point regarding any counterattacks the PLAAF might mount (reminds me of IAF's response to PAF during the 65 war), but that prospect has to be weighed against the amount of interest each nation has in sustaining such a conflict as well as the acceptable damage that each military is willing to bear.
An IAF surprise strike, or even a "riposte" in response to a PLA/AF operation, could put a major dent in the PLA's ability to conduct operations as effectively as some SDF/PDF members believe they could.[/QUOTE]
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SinoSoldier
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The Storm Shadow isn't a Tomahawk; it is capable of terrain-hugging flight like the Tomahawk but is arguably much stealthier. The French "Tomahawk" is actually the MdCN which supposedly shares quite a bit of technology with the SCALP/Storm Shadow.
The point is, the IAF has the ability to hit PLA and PLAAF facilities that in turn could severely hamper PLA/AF operations in a potential conflict. The PLAAF can deploy CJ-10Ks if it wishes but you don't defend against cruise missiles with your own cruise missiles.
Sorry, but this is a seriously shortsighted statement. Where are reports that the S-125 took out Storm Shadows, and if they're valid (huge doubt here), how can we be certain that this isn't due to some technical mishap with the ALCM? And even if a few Storm Shadows were indeed lost to legacy radars and air defenses, how is it appropriate to assume that most of these missiles would suffer the same fate?
Fair enough, but until the sh!t hits the fan nobody can know for certain how these systems will perform against a weapons platform designed to defeat these very systems upon their inception of development.
My argument isn't that India enjoys better prospects of winning a Sino-Indian War than China does, but rather that such a conflict wouldn't be as simple as some SDF members assume so.
They don't need to; the Storm Shadows provide sufficient range so as to permit IAF Rafales to operate within Indian airspace while retaining deep-strike capabilities.
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