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BTW If Google Earth is saying PP10-PP13 is Chinese land and Finger 4 is the edge of China, then Google is in agreement with the CCP's definition of the border lol. The concern in Indian circles that are sane, rational, accountable, is that China isn't just on PP10 or PP13 but actually even a bit further than that. There is no disagreement anymore that PLA is on east of Finger 4 despite BJP trying to deny and hide this for months. The truth on the uncertainties from back in May are finally settled. Modi lied unless he also shares China's version of the border, which would be a very strange thing. So basically Modi lied.

From the Galwan-Depsang side of things, it's almost certain PLA also occupied right up to China's claims, maybe with a small buffer at most. The recent Indian strategy in dealing with this was to capture some other parts where PLA isn't focused on so that both sides can negotiate. There is every possibility that India will continue performing intrusive patrols where there is minimal to no PLA presence. So little confrontations will continue to happen until higher ranked discussions are over and mutually acceptable.
 
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Knowing Trump's MO and with the elections coming, the next few months are going to be supercritical....
Given everything that has already transpired I wouldn't put it past him to have some card up his sleeve and plan some sort of "Shock and Awe" for China....
Trick Modi into helping the US attack China by promising India that after China has collapsed that India will take its place… So Modi sacrifices a bunch of soldiers in the LAC and intentionally pokes China to defend itself, thereby starting a regional war. This gives Uncle Sam the pretext it needs to ramp up even more heavily in the SCS, and then America does another "false flag" (which it recently already did pretending its spy plane as Malaysia airliner) event in the SCS to further escalate, allowing it to declare war on China, and that is when Taiwan takes the opportunity to declare independence. Now its three against one and China has to content with India on its west, SCS situation and a rogue Taiwan situation… at this precise moment Trump kicks China out of SWIFT, chokes China of all processor chips and semiconductors, and then release a far more deadly virus (compared to COVID) in the heartland of China, along with mini-nuking the Three Gorges Dam by targeting it with satellite from space, and a high level EMP to wipe out China’s electric grid while getting it vassals (Korea, Japan, Philippines, etc etc) to cut China’s underground sea cables, thereby effectively severing it from the communication/internet of the outside world… when China is down, blind, deaf and scrambling is when the US does a strategic nuclear first strike to decapitate the CCP before it has chance to retaliate with its own nukes…
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Zero chance of this happening. Modi and BJP are not that stupid. They know they'll get hammered to death risking it and Indians actually don't trust Americans or westerners in their heart of hearts. They may pay some lip service and suck up at times but everyone's played this game before. They may have been motivated to create drama but no real action. If you asked BJP members to bet their lives on the outcome of war, just about 100% of them would bet on China winning even though Indian polls suggest 70% of Indians in general think India can beat China in conventional war. That's about as likely as me beating an MMA fighter.

This scenario is still as possible as CCP instigating the whole drama for some less obvious aim.
 
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bochen787 said:
Knowing Trump's MO and with the elections coming, the next few months are going to be supercritical....
Given everything that has already transpired I wouldn't put it past him to have some card up his sleeve and plan some sort of "Shock and Awe" for China....
Trick Modi into helping the US attack China by promising India that after China has collapsed that India will take its place… So Modi sacrifices a bunch of soldiers in the LAC and intentionally pokes China to defend itself, thereby starting a regional war. This gives Uncle Sam the pretext it needs to ramp up even more heavily in the SCS, and then America does another "false flag" (which it recently already did pretending its spy plane as Malaysia airliner) event in the SCS to further escalate, allowing it to declare war on China, and that is when Taiwan takes the opportunity to declare independence. Now its three against one and China has to content with India on its west, SCS situation and a rogue Taiwan situation… at this precise moment Trump kicks China out of SWIFT, chokes China of all processor chips and semiconductors, and then release a far more deadly virus (compared to COVID) in the heartland of China, along with mini-nuking the Three Gorges Dam by targeting it with satellite from space, and a high level EMP to wipe out China’s electric grid while getting it vassals (Korea, Japan, Philippines, etc etc) to cut China’s underground sea cables, thereby effectively severing it from the communication/internet of the outside world… when China is down, blind, deaf and scrambling is when the US does a strategic nuclear first strike to decapitate the CCP before it has chance to retaliate with its own nukes…
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Tidalwave please take your meds o_O
 
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What are you talking about? I'm not on meds and don't be rude.
When I predicted a year ago that Huawei was gonna lose access to TSMC and that US gonna ban SMIC, no one believed me either.
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What are you talking about? You're a new member with just a few posts and now you predicted something a year ago? So you're admitting you're a banned member with multiple accounts? Also knowing a year ago that Huawei will eventually lose access to TSMC is child's play. The war on Huawei has been going on for over two years now. Half the pessimistic people here already could anticipate US preventing Taiwanese fabs from supplying Huawei. The US banning SMIC I do not recall you mentioning at all.
 
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bochen787 said:
What are you talking about? I'm not on meds and don't be rude.
When I predicted a year ago that Huawei was gonna lose access to TSMC and that US gonna ban SMIC, no one believed me either.
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I mean what you said could have been a plausible scenario if China weren't a nuclear power with capability to hit Washington, There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still kicking
 
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bochen787 said:
I'm not tidal but he sounds like a smart dude.
When I say I predicted, I didn't mean on this forum. Don't read between the lines or put words in my mouth, we are on the same team bro.
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Sure but the account hopping is kinda funny etc. Don't take it all too seriously. On topic of US hybrid war on China, I'm in agreement with you on most points and certainly share your pessimism which is frowned upon by many here. There are always those nationalistic ones who are blind stronkists and those who demand better. On topic for this particular thread, India will not start a shooting war with China. No need for blind China stronkists to tell you that, everyone with military knowledge understands India cannot hope to even defend itself effectively... if those people were betting their own money on it and not just sharing some nonsensical statements online.

The mental gymnastics some people require for a defendable India involves 5 Rafales destroying all PLAAF and hammering Chinese bases with impunity, keeping Chinese airfields shut with two measly stand off weapons at a time. While it will need China over 200 ballistic missiles PER DAY to keep Indian airfields shut. You know the amazing speeds Indians work at where they can repair 200 ballistic missiles worth of damages within 24 hours.
 
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ougoah said:
Those areas are on Chinese side indeed. BUT they are claimed by India. I'm not sure why this issue is still confusing some people. Both sides have overlapping claims in the disputed region. As things currently are, China has unilaterally moved up to their claimed lines according to what is rumoured. Of course this is still totally unclear how far China's gone but the consensus on both sides is that China has cut off India from accessing the total depth of India's original claimed lines. The most obvious proof is PLA presence and camps at up to finger 4 - occupying just east of finger 4's point which is China's side according to China and part of India according to India. Northern positions are less obvious but throughout the last few months there is evidence PLA has occupied positions according to China's version of border.

This is where the "1000 km^2 loss" comes from. There is no way for us to know for sure how much the actual "loss" is or indeed if there is any "loss". According to China, India hasn't lost any territory because those lands are China's to begin with. India doesn't have any official line on this. Modi initially said there is no intrusion. Which is why many Chinese official statements took Modi's statement and ran with it, agreeing with him that PLA is indeed not in Indian land.
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The 1000 square kilometers of territory lost, as mentioned in "The Hindu" report, was clearly referring to territory Indian soldiers had patrolled in or had control over in the past before the events of May 2020 unfolded. The Indians, now knowing the PLA will never vacate these territories, are simply stating this has been Chinese territory all along in a bid to save face. Basically, if you looked at the ground situation pre-May 2020, you will find that these 1000 sq km of territory did fall in the Indian line of the actual control.
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I'm not tidal but he sounds like a smart dude.
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You blew your cover even worse than that Indian troll who claimed he was from China and was relentlessly asking for how many casualties the Chinese Army suffered at Galwan two weeks ago. Congratulations o_O .
 
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The 1000 square kilometers of territory lost, as mentioned in "The Hindu" report, was clearly referring to territory Indian soldiers had patrolled in or had control over in the past before the events of May 2020 unfolded. The Indians, now knowing the PLA will never vacate these territories, are simply stating this has been Chinese territory all along in a bid to save face. Basically, if you looked at the ground situation pre-May 2020, you will find that these 1000 sq km of territory did fall in the Indian line of the actual control.
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Well that's Jai Hind for ya.

It's like a sieg heil but done by morons wearing orange panties with no real understanding of anything and a collective IQ that gives them confidence an MKI can target a J-20 from over 100km away :p:D
 
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ougoah said:
Well that's Jai Hind for ya.

It's like a sieg heil but done by morons wearing orange panties with no real understanding of anything and a collective IQ that gives them confidence an MKI can target a J-20 from over 100km away :p:D
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To put it in layman terms, India is like that one trash talker in street basketball who disses and challenges a NBA player, China, to a match. China happily obliges and slaps India twice in a 1v1 match (Sino-Indian War and Galwan). Now this trash talker, who just got beat really badly, wants to redeem his pride and tries to get the professional to play him again, which brings us to the events of recent weeks. But everyone knows he cannot play but still cheers him on nonetheless because hey, it's fun watching someone get beat to a pulp :p .
 
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