Ladakh Flash Point

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twineedle

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China and India never had an agreement that demarcated the LAC.

Both had their own interpretation of LAC.
Do you have some reading and comprehension issues?
Exactly. And both are moving back from their claim lines. Although China moved back more. Are you denying that?

BTW, please learn what de facto means. Even though india claimed up to finger 8, China secured up to finger 4.
 

twineedle

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Wrong. China occupied that area during the Ladakh standoff.

India couldn't. China could. The point here is - during the standoff. We may ask what was stopping India from occupying till F4 or further.
Yes. China occupied and then retreated. Hence, Status quo before last april has been restored. Thank you for proving my point.
 

twineedle

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You guys realize that Indians still think they 'won' the Balakot episode right? That was exactly 2 years ago. And they're still not convinced they lost anything, when literally the entire planet laughed at their claims, even their own allies.

If you wanna fix this problem, it's not gonna happen through rational debate. This is gonna require a war, which is what China is preparing for now, along with Pakistan. The CPC understood this on August 5th, 2019, when India revoked Article 370, as Sawhney has said repeatedly, trying to warn India's leadership which is not paying attention.

This can't be a long war. It will need to be a 48-72 hour high intensity conflict. The two key objectives are Kashmir and crippling India's military. Both objectives will need to be met in this time window, before the international outcry over 3 nuclear countries going to war becomes overwhelming and a ceasefire is called. It's not a trivial matter. Even when an enemy is as incompetent as India, it takes a lot of planning and preparation to pull off an offensive against an entrenched enemy, especially one as big as India. It will take time to prepare for this. Years, maybe even a decade, before all the pieces are in place. So don't get frustrated, just wait. Grab some popcorn.
I do not think India won Balakot. And I do not think India shot down an f 16. But thank you for trying to change the topic yet again.

This time, Indian claims are based in reality
 
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twineedle

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Anyway, so far arguements against me are:

Satellite imagery is dated
Some sources i posted are from quad countries. (even though some of the images were actually from Chinese sources)
Indian media is reliable when it supports China's narrative, but unreliable when it doesn't
Non-Indian media is reliable when it supports China, but unreliable when it supports India.
Col. Dinny's first hand account is unreliable, though Pravin Sawhney's analyses are always correct(even though he has been proven wrong multiple times)

Honestly, i have no way to respond to that kind of logic.
 

lgnxz

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None of the third party, unbiased evidence I have posted has been debunked. Wheneer I have asked members to provide counter evidence, I am met with nothing but obfuscation and insults.
I've repeatedly responded to you and you have done nothing but ignoring it.
My argument about how indian started putting their camps in pp14 first and thus triggering the crisis in the first place? Ignored.
My argument about how china never uses the 1959 line and india actually knows that pp14 area is claimed by china given the video evidence of a mark carved in a wall in pp14? Also ignored.
My argument debunking your claim of 'india is kicking china out of pp14', while the satellite images from your own opsec shows that india ran away from the conflict and built a wall separating itself with pp14 and thus allowing china to retake the area as an aftermath? Also ignored.

How often can this guy lies and not getting punished by the moderators honestly?
 

Xizor

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Yes. China occupied and then retreated. Hence, Status quo before last april has been restored. Thank you for proving my point.
No. China stopped India from patrolling that region.
Status quo won't be restored until patrols upto F8 is resumed.

Try again.
 

lgnxz

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Let's see guys if this guy will ever respond to my argument. Somehow I get the impression that he's scared of answering to my reply given how often I have debunked his narrative yet keep getting the cold shoulder, but at the same time keep littering the threads and responding to others with the same debunked arguments that I have been trying to fend off.

This goes beyond just china-india standoff as well, but speaks volume of the kind of etiquette pertaining to the norms or even perhaps rules in SDF that clearly ignored by this particular indian.
 

manqiangrexue

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Because the images prove that China failed to shift the LAC and occupy Galwan, like they tried to do.
Oh, China tried? China began a premeditate ambush against Indian negotiators in Galwan opening the whole episode? LOL If China tried, Galwan would be China's. What's to stop them? All the IA forces are running away into frozen streams, off of cliffs, just scattering. It doesn't even qualify as a retreat because that's a professional term.
Exactly. And both are moving back from their claim lines. Although China moved back more. Are you denying that?
Yeah, China gave you back a part of what they took so that's less.
BTW, please learn what de facto means. Even though india claimed up to finger 8, China secured up to finger 4.
Right, India can claim land and might even walk around on it while China is the only one that can actually control the land because it is the only one with a competent military there.
Yes. China occupied and then retreated. Hence, Status quo before last april has been restored. Thank you for proving my point.
Occupied more, retreated less. Your point can only be proven in your imagination where things don't get complicated enough to measure amount.
I do not think India won Balakot. And I do not think India shot down an f 16. But thank you for trying to change the topic yet again.

This time, Indian claims are based in realityl
Well, you know the story of the boy who cried wolf, right?
 

localizer

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I've repeatedly responded to you and you have done nothing but ignoring it.
My argument about how indian started putting their camps in pp14 first and thus triggering the crisis in the first place? Ignored.
My argument about how china never uses the 1959 line and india actually knows that pp14 area is claimed by china given the video evidence of a mark carved in a wall in pp14? Also ignored.
My argument debunking your claim of 'india is kicking china out of pp14', while the satellite images from your own opsec shows that india ran away from the conflict and built a wall separating itself with pp14 and thus allowing china to retake the area as an aftermath? Also ignored.

How often can this guy lies and not getting punished by the moderators honestly?
... rite, that's what you Indians said last time.

p.s. stop spamming the thread like a bot.
I think he should be finished off as well. He's just here to make unsubstantiated statements for sole purpose of being an annoyance.
 
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