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solarz

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Your logic is flawed. If the land is hard to defend, how could it be Chinese territory in the first place. Claim means nothing when you show no willingness to defend or maintain.

If this is PlA way of thinking, giving up land perceived to be hard to defend, I'm speechless.

You're speechless because you don't seem to have any clue about strategy or logistics.

Next time, are you going to ask why we didn't build the Great Wall a few hundred kilometers more to the north?
 

siegecrossbow

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Oh God It's like chicken talking to duck.
In modern warfare, a commanding officer don't show their braveness by having their heads smashed upon. They just don't. Stop reading The romance of three kingdoms. You think you are playing the 7 captures of Meng Huo? How silly is that?
About Hong Kong, it's supposed to be a no-lose situation for China. Yet China let the situation deteriorated over the course of two decades, and in the end, had to resort to drastic measures that they should have done long time ago. And the price? In the number of trillions of dollars because it got inevitablely connected to Taiwan.

And you think war is just between two parties. How naive is that.

I bet they'll come back again. May not be at exact same location, but rest assured.
It was negotiations for God’s sake. China and India had already signed an agreement. Otherwise they would have sent more troops for sure.
 

solarz

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Oh God It's like chicken talking to duck.
In modern warfare, a commanding officer don't show their braveness by having their heads smashed upon. They just don't. Stop reading The romance of three kingdoms. You think you are playing the 7 captures of Meng Huo? How silly is that?
About Hong Kong, it's supposed to be a no-lose situation for China. Yet China let the situation deteriorated over the course of two decades, and in the end, had to resort to drastic measures that they should have done long time ago. And the price? In the number of trillions of dollars because it got inevitablely connected to Taiwan.

And you think war is just between two parties. How naive is that.

I bet they'll come back again. May not be at exact same location, but rest assured.

People like you know nothing but you love to criticize anyway. You ignore basic circumstances and make up these ridiculous expectations that China is supposed to live up to.

The commander wasn't there to fight, he was there to parlay. He fought when he had to, nothing more. Your idea that the PLA should have sent an "expendable grunt" to negotiate is laughably ridiculous, and shows you haven't got the faintest clue what you're taking about.

For the first time in 20 years, HK is cleaning up its judicial system and reforming its education system, but you don't see that because all you're capable of doing is criticize.
 

longmarch

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People like you know nothing but you love to criticize anyway. You ignore basic circumstances and make up these ridiculous expectations that China is supposed to live up to.

The commander wasn't there to fight, he was there to parlay. He fought when he had to, nothing more. Your idea that the PLA should have sent an "expendable grunt" to negotiate is laughably ridiculous, and shows you haven't got the faintest clue what you're taking about.

For the first time in 20 years, HK is cleaning up its judicial system and reforming its education system, but you don't see that because all you're capable of doing is criticize.
You are the one who is blind to think the mess that Hong Kong got into was the best way to handle it. I criticize because I don't suck up like that.
 

longmarch

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You're speechless because you don't seem to have any clue about strategy or logistics.

Next time, are you going to ask why we didn't build the Great Wall a few hundred kilometers more to the north?
Then keeping giving up more, cause they'll come back again. You already got excuse already, undefendable.
 

solarz

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You are the one who is blind to think the mess that Hong Kong got into was the best way to handle it. I criticize because I don't suck up like that.

The mess HK got into was their own doing. Tens of thousands people going on the street to protest a law that would send a murderer to trial. How freaking stupid is that?

HK is far more secure today that it was two years ago. You'd have to be wilfully blind to not see that.
 

lgnxz

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Who actually claimed PP14 first? Thanks to the posts here I realized that there exists a case for that being India. If that's the truth, then the entire Galwan incident takes a wild twist in total plot.
After the final piece of puzzle that is the newly released video, I'm very confident to say that the indian side started it first by intruding and building up camp in pp14. Take a look at the map from the indian side itself
You can see that they already start to plan the intrusion since early May, and basically waiting for the water flow to be lower. The second picture dated 22 May shows the existence of a newly built camp in the pp14. The critical indicator in the picture here is that the existence of the bridge, which is as shown in the new video (and previously also shown in the news from our side around July last year in a form of picture) that those bridges are brought and used by the indian, which means that the camp right in front of it is also indian's.bridge.jpg
This escalation of course warrant a justified reaction from the PLA, which resulted in the 15 June clash. The river flow at this time is also getting higher hence the causalities from drowning. PLA successfully pushed them back to the other side of the river and taking control of the location, and the camp is dismantled by the PLA, hence the irony of that certain indian for insinuating about 'being forcefully removed' :) . PP14 is thus retaken, and both sides then elect to erect temporary walls at each side of the river, as shown in picture 3 of the tweet, dated 18 June, 3 days after the clash.

Last picture of the tweet dated 22 June shows that further basic improvements are done by PLA in the PP14, but since there's no further clashes, it too are withdrawn later. Given the contrast of behaviors between the two sides, everyone can objectively which one is actually responsible for the clash in the beginning, and which one is getting slapped at the end.
 

longmarch

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The mess HK got into was their own doing. Tens of thousands people going on the street to protest a law that would send a murderer to trial. How freaking stupid is that?

HK is far more secure today that it was two years ago. You'd have to be wilfully blind to not see that.
Ultimately it's central government's responsibility, is it not? The way China handles Hong Kong is just like the way how border issue is being handled.

In short, China doesn't know how to deal with British colonies. And that includes Australia.
 
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