Ladakh Flash Point

More international media buzz on the use of DEW in the last few hours. The Indian media such as NDTV, Times of India are all lit up. The official
Indian government response is:
"Fake News" but the definition of fake over there is vague.
A report from Asia Times:

Why is it important whether some non-lethal weapon was or was not used? What does it matter what sort of non-lethal weapon was employed if one or more were used?

The Indians do not control those southern mountain tops after their short arrogant intrusion and celebrations. Satellite footage and their own videos prove the PLA have taken control since September. The Indians may have contested and taken control since then but there is absolutely nothing to suggest this.

We're not going to listen to Indians who have been proven to have lied about PLA deaths, PLA withdraw, S-400 sale banned, Taiwanese shooting down Su-35, actually hidden Indian deaths, tried to hide conflict status and Indian land loss and so on and so on. The Chinese side has not been caught lying yet and the CCP made a loud complaint when the Indians intruded back in August/September. So if any changes, the Indians would have been bragging openly and CCP complaining openly. Neither has happened so it's fair to assume PLA still control those mountain tops despite what proven liars in Indian media and gov may say.

Black cat, white cat, as long as it catches mice. Who cares what was used to dispel the IA intrusion south of Pangong. The important thing is the decision makers and men on the ground all understand the truths and act upon that information. India knows it's beyond outgunned and outwitted. The best they can do is throw their stupid bhakts some shallow ego soothers while their angry morons take to the internet to expose their feelings of inadequacy with cheap insults and hollow claims. Typical Indian fashion - promise the world and deliver shit.

Russia is rumored to possess a compact version of DEW mounted on their Tigre combat vehicles ( Russian equivalent of the Humvee) first used in the takeover of Crimea in 2014. These Tigres were initially identified by OSINT voluntary groups (such as "Belling Cat") as Electronic Warfare ( EW) vehicles.
An unsubstantiated claim but the "single casualty " takeover of several Ukrainian military and air bases in Crimea. do raise questions. Russia's policy then was to not inflict casualties on Ukrainian service personnel or in any case not fight them directly.

Bright Sword said:

Russia is rumored to possess a compact version of DEW mounted on their Tigre combat vehicles ( Russian equivalent of the Humvee) first used in the takeover of Crimea in 2014. These Tigres were initially identified by OSINT voluntary groups (such as "Belling Cat") as Electronic Warfare ( EW) vehicles.
An unsubstantiated claim but the "single casualty " takeover of several Ukrainian military and air bases in Crimea. do raise questions. Russia's policy then was to not inflict casualties on Ukrainian service personnel or in any case not fight them directly.

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I'm inclined to believe China has plenty of microwave weapons in service. It's been suggested by the Americans (iirc) and at least one even shown publicly? They're certainly useful and so worthy of being developed. Also should be pretty simple given China's extremely comprehensive capabilities with microwave telecom tech.

When it comes to India, they won't fight the PLA because Indian military leaders understand a short initial exchange of artillery fire between frontline units and then China disables Indian electronic systems with various EW and dispel men with various non-lethal (or lethal, whatever they want to take) weapons. India fighting China is like 1980s China fighting 2020 USA conventionally. Not a single soul with deep military knowledge would bet a cent on India. And yet the constant chest thumping from Indian leaders and bhakts. It's humiliating but they are pretty shameless when it comes to this sort of stuff. Or perhaps really just that uninformed and stupid.

EW is the foundation of modern warfare and in this department India is not even close to understanding the problem, let alone on their way towards solving it. Unless Israel or US arm Indian with sophisticated electronic weapons, their more formidable equipment- Su-30MKI and Brahmos are total null threats. Rafale is a step towards modernising though.

All existing microwave crowd dispersion systems are very easy to identify owing to the large emitters needed. These systems are also very short ranged due to wavelengths used and energy loss over longer distances. You would think someone on the Indian side would have taken pictures and video if the PLA drove a Mengshi with strange-assed looking antennas all over it right up to Indian troops, who then all started to get pains and fall over screaming.

It also seems unlikely microwave weapons would have the kind of range needed to affect India personnel on distance mountain tops from PLA positions.

There is a remote possibility that some sort of sonic systems was used, which would tie back to earlier Indian complains about such, and the effects of sonic weapons would fit the description of symptoms better.

Interesting. I thought they would dismiss this Chinese DEW news as Chinese propaganda.

In any case this is also confusing. Isn't the disengagement negotiations stalled right now because China wants Indian Troops to vacate occupied Chinese territories? So if he DEW is indeed a success, why are there still Indian troops occupying disputed areas?

Whats stopping China from unleashing these DEW on Indian troops this time? There is no DEW treaty yet. And India is not yet going nuts about this.

ougoah post: 646388 said:

We're not going to listen to Indians who have been proven to have lied about PLA deaths, PLA withdraw, S-400 sale banned, Taiwanese shooting down Su-35, actually hidden Indian deaths, tried to hide conflict status and Indian land loss and so on and so on.

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Agree entirely, and we could add additional Indian lies such as shooting down a PAF F-16 etc. to the list,
It's not the Indian statements that merit any attention but the buzz from international news outlets such as "The Times, London " . India is now forced to react to the news.
What is intriguing is the sudden flurry of statements from Indian commentators about "disengagement" , withdrawals etc. when not so long ago they were hailing "military victory " in "capturing" the Kailash range.
If there is such a thumping military victory then why are they talking and why don't they capture more territory.
Established and strong military powers will choose to silent on strategic and tactical matters when it is advantageous to do so , or even if they do release a press statement it will be opposite of what really happened. So the Global Times statements on Indian provocation could be viewed in this context. Russia's stance in Crimea is a good example when the swift takeover had been planned well in advance even as Russia was protesting ( with good reasons) western interference.

plawolf said:

There is a remote possibility that some sort of sonic systems was used, which would tie back to earlier Indian complains about such, and the effects of sonic weapons would fit the description of symptoms better.

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Yes. Indeed the reported symptoms of not being able to stand and vomiting is more consistent with sonic weapons. Because this type of weapon affects the ears, and can induce vertigo, and subsequently nausea. A bad vertigo can collapse a standing person, and disorient enough to cause nausea.

So when the PLA blared Bollywood music to Indian troops sometime back. Was it the first stage of this sonic warfare? Then when Indian troops don't get the message, they turned up the heat and now the 'Bollywood music' starts to actually hurt. Lol...

Sardaukar20 said:

Interesting. I thought they would dismiss this Chinese DEW news as Chinese propaganda.

In any case this is also confusing. Isn't the disengagement negotiations stalled right now because China wants Indian Troops to vacate occupied Chinese territories? So if he DEW is indeed a success, why are there still Indian troops occupying disputed areas?

Whats stopping China from unleashing these DEW on Indian troops this time? There is no DEW treaty yet. And India is not yet going nuts about this.

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If China did use DEW against the Indians, it would have only been on a small scale trial basis as a proof-of-concept test, and as raw flexing to show the Indians how hopeless their position would be if China chose to press home its technological dominance.

If China wanted to, it could easily drive Indian forces back as far as they wanted without a shot being fired with non-lethal DEW herding Indian troops back like cattle. India has zero equivalents, so they only way they can stop that is to resort to conventional weapons and start a real war, but they know they will loose that war badly. The issue is that China knows that if it did make such a push, it might force Indian leaders into a corner where they are forced to figh

Despite industrial strength Indian fake news propaganda, the fact of the matter is that it was never China who was actively driving up tensions on the boarder. Chinese actions have been overwhelmingly defensive and reactionary to proactive Indian attempts to change the status quo.

Contrary to India BS, China never wanted to change facts on the ground, and only did so to in retaliation to ham-fisted unsuccessful Indian attempts.

I have already covered the rationale for why this is the case - China wants to keep all its options open on Taiwan during the turbulent US elections and power transfer phases.

It may well be that if the US can navigate its way out of its election mess in an orderly fashion, China may well decide to come back and repay earlier Indian aggression with interest since there is no longer a need to focus on Taiwan. But we are still a long way from that point.

Sardaukar20 said:

Yes. Indeed the reported symptoms of not being able to stand and vomiting is more consistent with sonic weapons. Because this type of weapon affects the ears, and can induce vertigo, and subsequently nausea. A bad vertigo can collapse a standing person, and disorient enough to cause nausea.

So when the PLA blared Bollywood music to Indian troops sometime back. Was it the first stage of this sonic warfare? Then when Indian troops don't get the message, they turned up the heat and now the 'Bollywood music' starts to actually hurt. Lol...

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According to the official Twitter account of “Current Intelligence Blog” on October 4, Eastern Time, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army used large sonic guns to “harass” Indian soldiers in response to the border conflict between China and India. The social media revealed that after a few hours of operation of a large sonic gun, high-powered sounds may cause nausea and vomiting. The social media simultaneously showed a small video in which a giant horn-shaped vehicle was installed on the top of a special military vehicle with driving The military equipment in the chamber rotates clockwise with the cab as the center and transmits huge sound waves.


Sonic weapons are divided into infrasound waves, strong sound waves, ultrasonic waves, noise waves, and clustered sound wave pulses, among which ultrasonic waves are the most lethal. The use of high-energy generate high-frequency sound waves, resulting in strong air pressure, causing people to produce physiological reactions such as blurred vision and nausea, thereby weakening the combat effectiveness of personnel or completely losing combat capabilities. This weapon can even break the glass of doors and windows, and it is unavoidable to hide in tanks and air-raid shelters. It can pass through 15 meters of concrete walls and tank steel plates. In severe cases, people will die directly.


The CCP virus is still raging. As of October 6, more than 35.4 million people have been infected and 1.04 million people have died. According to the analysis of the CCP’s evil government’s methods of poisoning the world, the methods used against Indian soldiers this time will be equally evil and cruel. The Indian military should pay more attention to it and make timely response plans to avoid subsequent deaths of Indian soldiers on the battlefield.