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Sardaukar20

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India has no great potential to realize.
C'mon do we need to be so harsh on them? They are after all a nation of 1.3bln people. And they are arguably the most powerful country on paper in South Asia. They have a space program, have nuclear weapons, and are considered a major economy (albeit grossly over hyped).

But I get your point. India has no more great potential to realize as far as I am concerned now. Their retarded BJP leaders, the dumb military leadership, and the masses who support this dumb government. This is a nation that is free falling into foolishness and backwardness from the heights of their more 'civilized' predecessors since independence.
 

EblisTx

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I agree mods should look at this . it's a sign of worry.

Even i am also surprised that there are hardly any chinese to discuss on forum but it's infested with people from Malaysia / bangladesh / nepal/ pakistan .. is it that all are from one place and pretending to be from diff countries as supported for their masters in CCP. Quite a few are pretending to be original chinese handles by picking up random google images....with few showing their open love for rogue kingdoms of past.... very worrisome...

Anyways Moot point.. latest is that twitter is buzz with rumor of a chinese SU 35 being shot down by Taiwan. hope it is not true.

what makes you think there is hardly any Chinese?
 

plawolf

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India has no great potential to realize.

Actually, in terms of geography, population size, access to technology and markets etc, India is not inherently behind China, and started off with significant advantages when they gained independence in many many areas compared to China.

As such, India had the potential to do just as well as China, which makes their actual pitifully achievements all the more pathetic.

India was like a spoilt rich brat, who had almost everything handed to it on a silver platter at birth but who just didn’t want to do any real hard work and just bumbled through its early life living off its inheritance. China OTOH, was like a war orphan with a burnt down house who had to fend for itself but worked tremendously hard to overcome its many massive historical disadvantages.

Now China is successful and the envy of the world with a beautifully developed house (that it is still constantly improving on), massive bank balance and loads of successful businesses.

India is like a high school drop out flipping burgers for a living and resenting China for having ‘stolen its birthright’.

The problem for India is that success requires potential, will and opportunity. While it still has massive untapped potential, even if it could find the will to make painful reforms and commit to the sheer hard graft needed to get things done, it might still no longer be enough.

The world is rapidly advancing and soon the opportunity to turn its massive population into actively contributing labour forces to grow its economy and lift people out of poverty will disappear forever once automation has advanced to the point of being able to replace basic human labour.

And guess who is at the forefront of that new revolution? China, who is uniquely placed at the cutting edge of both AI development and mechanical and electronic design and manufacturing.

I suspect that is another reason why many (better educated) Indians hate China and wish to destroy it. Because China is currently on course to totally snuff out it’s one main hope of making something of its much vaunted population dividend.

If low and medium level manufacturing doesn’t migrate out of a China as it moves up the value chain into high tech and value added areas, then India literally has nothing to look forward to (not that many of the low skilled jobs which might potentially migrate out of China would have ended up in India in any case, as Vietnam offers a far more attractive destination since they are basically copying the Chinese economic and development model exactly).

That adds another layer to their anti-Chinese psyche, as it’s not purely borne out of jealousy, but they also want to ‘inherit’ much of China’s current share of world trade and investment. Hence their desperation to engineer China’s downfall and destruction.

That also goes to the heart of the core problem with modern India. Rather than looking inwards to see how they could improve themselves, they instead always look outwards dreaming of improbable scenarios where riches and success would fall into their laps without themselves having to do any actual hard work.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Actually, in terms of geography, population size, access to technology and markets etc, India is not inherently behind China, and started off with significant advantages when they gained independence in many many areas compared to China.

As such, India had the potential to do just as well as China, which makes their actual pitifully achievements all the more pathetic.

India was like a spoilt rich brat, who had almost everything handed to it on a silver platter at birth but who just didn’t want to do any real hard work and just bumbled through its early life living off its inheritance. China OTOH, was like a war orphan with a burnt down house who had to fend for itself but worked tremendously hard to overcome its many massive historical disadvantages.

Now China is successful and the envy of the world with a beautifully developed house (that it is still constantly improving on), massive bank balance and loads of successful businesses.

India is like a high school drop out flipping burgers for a living and resenting China for having ‘stolen its birthright’.

The problem for India is that success requires potential, will and opportunity. While it still has massive untapped potential, even if it could find the will to make painful reforms and commit to the sheer hard graft needed to get things done, it might still no longer be enough.

The world is rapidly advancing and soon the opportunity to turn its massive population into actively contributing labour forces to grow its economy and lift people out of poverty will disappear forever once automation has advanced to the point of being able to replace basic human labour.

And guess who is at the forefront of that new revolution? China, who is uniquely placed at the cutting edge of both AI development and mechanical and electronic design and manufacturing.

I suspect that is another reason why many (better educated) Indians hate China and wish to destroy it. Because China is currently on course to totally snuff out it’s one main hope of making something of its much vaunted population dividend.

If low and medium level manufacturing doesn’t migrate out of a China as it moves up the value chain into high tech and value added areas, then India literally has nothing to look forward to (not that many of the low skilled jobs which might potentially migrate out of China would have ended up in India in any case, as Vietnam offers a far more attractive destination since they are basically copying the Chinese economic and development model exactly).

That adds another layer to their anti-Chinese psyche, as it’s not purely borne out of jealousy, but they also want to ‘inherit’ much of China’s current share of world trade and investment. Hence their desperation to engineer China’s downfall and destruction.

That also goes to the heart of the core problem with modern India. Rather than looking inwards to see how they could improve themselves, they instead always look outwards dreaming of improbable scenarios where riches and success would fall into their laps without themselves having to do any actual hard work.
This is going to be one of those rare times when I disagree completely with you. While a lot of the details of your analysis of the Indian psyche are completely accurate (especially the point about China locking in lower value-added manufacturing through technology), you kind of miss the forest for the trees. There's no such thing as an "India" in any way comparable to a "China" - a united polity pursuing a common purpose. India is exactly as Lee Kuan Yew described it, 32 nations that happened to be array along a British rail line. One only has to look at the absence of language standardization and the multiplicity of regional languages in India to realize this.

India has no potential because there's no "India" in any real sense. I could draw a boundary around the countries of the Middle East and North Africa and call this the "Middle Eastern Union" or the "United States of MENA" and I'd have better justification for that than calling India a country since the people in my imaginary state all speak and write in a common language, Arabic. The reasons we don't have a MEU/USMENA and we have an "India" are completely arbitrary, one is no more united than the other.

I've heard it said by the few Indian acquaintances I have that managed to rise above the gutter is that India maintains what little unity it has through democracy, and that it can never advance because of democracy.
 

Mohsin77

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The reasons we don't have a MEU/USMENA and we have an "India" are completely arbitrary

Not exactly "arbitrary." There is a common denominator here: The West created this 'united' India, and the West also created the disunited borders in the Muslim world, post-colonialism. Just as the rise of the West was a factor in building this status quo, the decline of the West will be a factor in its reversal. Of course, I'm over simplifying it. There are many other variables, including the internal stupor that my civilization has to wake up from, for instance. But nevertheless, that common denominator is relevant. There is a logic to history, it's not all random and arbitrary.


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Anyways, getting back on topic, here's the news folks:

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So... all that bollywood drama and this is the result. As expected, the only 'blitzkrieg' these "Waffen-SS"-wannabes can launch is on the internet. Now as the snows fall, China will continue to build infrastructure, while the Indian army rushes to order jackets and sleepingbags on Alibaba (or did they ban that too?)

p.s. @xplosive1980 : When you use words like "infested" to describe the nationalities here, you are just further highlighting your racially supremacist ideology. And by the way, there are American and Western members on this forum as well. You should be asking why they aren't defending India here.
 

Sardaukar20

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The world is rapidly advancing and soon the opportunity to turn its massive population into actively contributing labour forces to grow its economy and lift people out of poverty will disappear forever once automation has advanced to the point of being able to replace basic human labour.

And guess who is at the forefront of that new revolution? China, who is uniquely placed at the cutting edge of both AI development and mechanical and electronic design and manufacturing.

I suspect that is another reason why many (better educated) Indians hate China and wish to destroy it. Because China is currently on course to totally snuff out it’s one main hope of making something of its much vaunted population dividend.
Exactly, India's time is running out. The window is closing on the cheap human labour manufacturing economic model. And that window is rapidly closing with China now going big in automated manufacturing.

Vietnam, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan, and other, more sober developing economies are probably going to be the last countries who advanced economically using cheap human capital. Every moment that India spends crowing about its so called "superpower destiny", these countries gobble up the real manufacturing deals and FDI opportunities. By the time automated manufacturing matures, its game over for India.

India will be stuck in the middle income trap. They will have an incompetent manufacturing sector in their economy. But India claims today to have a 'powerful' service sector. Well macro economics 101. For a truly powerful economy. Manufacturing sector creates the wealth first. Then the Service sector benefits from that wealth and then grows that wealth.

For arguments sake. India could offer its Service Sector to foreign clients, like Singapore and HK. But let's be honest, is India's Service industry really that sought after? Today, would anybody want to deposit money into Indian banks, or set up offices in India, or still use Indian call centers?

Young people in China are getting more educated as time goes on. One have to look at the average Chinese graduates these days. They are getting more and more sophisticated. India however are producing more Bhakts. And these Bhakts will continue voting clowns like Modi into power. That's why India's future is sealed. Their dreams of becoming a superpower will stay as just that: a dream.
 
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Kunal Biswas

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What happened at Spangur gap and Kala / Black top?, here the view of Shiv a military analyst..

Plenty of his video are on Chinese military, quite informative in depth detail, of-course one can disagree..
 
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