Ladakh Flash Point

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plawolf

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Trump doesn’t have the patience or stomach for a real war with China, and frankly, neither does the US have the raw capabilities to try to take China’s SCS islands without bringing pretty much their entire navy, and even then they will most likely loose a significant portion of that force even if they do manage to win in the end.

If Trump is stupid enough to actually try to engineer a military clash with China to try to score cheap domestic political points to boost his election prospects, it would be pretty much the same as the trade war, with him biting off way more than he can chew. So he will declare victory even when he is loosing and just bug out.

The SCS is basically a death trap for any attacking naval force because China’s island bases are in effect unsinkable carriers that can be used to launch fighters, drones; host lots of defensive and offensive missiles; and become a Homebase for swarms of PLAN 022 FACs and 056 corvettes.

Back this up with the bulk of the PLAN’s surface and sub fleet as well as air cover from mainland China and neighbouring bases and its just the most dangerous place any naval fleet could hope to operate. I would say the SCS is even more dangerous for the USN to fight in than Taiwan.

With Taiwan the USN would have to operate closer to mainland China, but they would have Taiwan itself as a massive buffer and early warning system, which will make it much harder for mainland based fighters and missiles to try to strike at the USN fleet. On top of that you have all of China’s seaboard as potential targets that could massively pin down the PLAN and PLAAF’s forces to try to defend if Trump is willing to go full thug and spam missiles at Chinese cities at random.

In the SCS, China hasn’t put anything on those islands it itself prepared to loose, the USN can spam missiles all they want. They might take out some SAMs, AAA and AShM launchers, but it will be costly for them, most likely far more so in terms of munitions, money and lives, than what the PLA looses.

If Trump does fight in the SCS, it would be because doing so would allow him to declare victory and pull out pretty much any time he wants. In a Taiwan scenario, it would be more advantageous tactically for the USN, but that is not a fight the UA could just walk away from as doing so would mean China would immediately retake Taiwan and suddenly the entire first island chain is gone.

If India is stupid enough to jump on that bandwagon, I don’t think China would be interested in half measures after it has seen off the USN and turns it’s full focus on India.
 

reservior dogs

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Trump doesn’t have the patience or stomach for a real war with China, and frankly, neither does the US have the raw capabilities to try to take China’s SCS islands without bringing pretty much their entire navy, and even then they will most likely loose a significant portion of that force even if they do manage to win in the end.

If Trump is stupid enough to actually try to engineer a military clash with China to try to score cheap domestic political points to boost his election prospects, it would be pretty much the same as the trade war, with him biting off way more than he can chew. So he will declare victory even when he is loosing and just bug out.

The SCS is basically a death trap for any attacking naval force because China’s island bases are in effect unsinkable carriers that can be used to launch fighters, drones; host lots of defensive and offensive missiles; and become a Homebase for swarms of PLAN 022 FACs and 056 corvettes.

Back this up with the bulk of the PLAN’s surface and sub fleet as well as air cover from mainland China and neighbouring bases and its just the most dangerous place any naval fleet could hope to operate. I would say the SCS is even more dangerous for the USN to fight in than Taiwan.

With Taiwan the USN would have to operate closer to mainland China, but they would have Taiwan itself as a massive buffer and early warning system, which will make it much harder for mainland based fighters and missiles to try to strike at the USN fleet. On top of that you have all of China’s seaboard as potential targets that could massively pin down the PLAN and PLAAF’s forces to try to defend if Trump is willing to go full thug and spam missiles at Chinese cities at random.

In the SCS, China hasn’t put anything on those islands it itself prepared to loose, the USN can spam missiles all they want. They might take out some SAMs, AAA and AShM launchers, but it will be costly for them, most likely far more so in terms of munitions, money and lives, than what the PLA looses.

If Trump does fight in the SCS, it would be because doing so would allow him to declare victory and pull out pretty much any time he wants. In a Taiwan scenario, it would be more advantageous tactically for the USN, but that is not a fight the UA could just walk away from as doing so would mean China would immediately retake Taiwan and suddenly the entire first island chain is gone.

If India is stupid enough to jump on that bandwagon, I don’t think China would be interested in half measures after it has seen off the USN and turns it’s full focus on India.

I think Syria is an example of how Trump is likely to use his military. He ordered a bunch of missiles into mostly empty airports, killing a few people. It is all for show. If he is desperate enough on the home front, he might try something in the SCS. Attacking a well defended island will incur a very high risk of losing a warship or a plane. Not someone's idea of a good campaign footage. For this reason, he may target the Scarborough Shoal. A plane can fly into the relatively unoccupied island and drop a few bombs. Mission accomplished, as W would say. They would get away before the Chinese can fight back. The Chinese would be very happy if he did that. They had not built up the island out of respect to Duterte. They will now use this as a pretext to build up the largest man made island in the world.
 

hullopilllw

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Not sure if that video is authentic, but these operations in Baluchistan are a response to the (attempted) attack on the Karachi Stock Exchange, where 4 BLA tangos tried to break into the KSE, but got killed by security guards:

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This same BLA group also targets Chinese contractors working on CPEC projects. The ISI has linked these groups to India's RAW, who sponsors the BLA and other tribal belt militants. But unlike the anti-Indian militancy in Kashmir, there is very little local support for these anti-Pakistani groups within Pakistan, which is why they aren't having any strategic effect.

China should send in elite PLA units and work with ISI to wipe them out.
It is too risky to let them play around the Gwadar port.
 

Mohsin77

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China should send in elite PLA units and work with ISI to wipe them out.
It is too risky to let them play around the Gwadar port.

It's not a question of force (there's only some 4,000 BLA militants in total.)

This is a counterintelligence game, infiltrating their networks, tracing and finding their hideouts and blocking their funding from India etc.

When their hideouts are discovered, overwhelming force is deployed to take them out (that's the easy part.)
 
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