All said and done when President Joe Biden/State Dept made a statement on TV 2 days ago the US mentioned USA,EU,China,Russia ,Pakistan and even some ME states and NO mention of India as if they were irrelevant -which they are in reality-to the situation in Afghanistan.That's reality JaiHind losers-I am so tired of your circuitous self-fellatio, raw anti-Chinese tirades-truly it's your tiresome mouths which is your only power.I hope the Afghans raid and attack India via the Kygher pass for zar,zan,zamin like they've done for 1000 years and shut your f#cking mouths.
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All said and done when President Joe Biden/State Dept made a statement on TV 2 days ago the US mentioned USA,EU,China,Russia ,Pakistan and even some ME states and NO mention of India as if they were irrelevant -which they are in reality-to the situation in Afghanistan.That's reality JaiHind losers-I am so tired of your circuitous self-fellatio, raw anti-Chinese tirades-truly it's your tiresome mouths which is your only power.I hope the Afghans raid and attack India via the Kybher Pass for zar,zan,zamin like they've done for 1000 years and shut your f#cking mouths.
LOL.
The retarded reported seems truely impressed.
You guys really cant help dragging in Pakistan to this thread can you?
As far as I know, there are 5 important narratives on the creation of Pakistan:
A) Mainstream Indian narrative: The brits created Pakistan to weaken India.
B) Mainstream Pakistani narrative: Jinnah+Iqbal created Pak to save Muslims
C) Ambredkar's narrative
D) The Muslim League's actual narrative
E) The British...
Let me talk a bit about (C) by the guy who wrote India's constitution. It is a minority narrative but one that carries a lot of weight as Ambredkar was cited as an intellectual authority by both sides (both Jinnah and Ghandi/Nehru highly regarded Ambredkar's intellect.) Ambredkar said that Indians should be happy that Pakistan was created, because had the Muslims not separated, they probably would've ended up ruling India again. He said this because the Muslims were over-represented in the Army and in the high-culture of India, with a long history of ruling India before the British (he was afraid India would inevitably default to the pre-British Muslim rule, basically.) Interestingly, if we assume Ambredkar's premise is correct, it follows that the British strategy (in allowing the creation of Pakistan) was to prevent Muslim rule of India. This a deductive conclusion from Ambredkar's premise. But why? Well, one reason could be that the British have more to fear from Muslims than Hindus. And an Indian-Subcontinent under Muslim rule is a much bigger strategic threat to the West than these Indian clowns worshipping white-Nazis, wearing orange robes giving Seig Heil salutes.
In any case, the historical jury is still out on (C), and no one will pay much attention to it, because it is inconvenient for everyone.
Nevertheless, more important for me than the circumstances of Pakistan's creation, is the vision and thesis of Pakistan (D), which is actually different than the mainstream Pakistani narrative. Jinnah didn't merely create Pakistan to "save" Muslims. In fact, the whole narrative of the Muslim League was to ask India's Muslims to sacrifice their own security for the sake of Islam. And they did, despite all the odds. Neither the British, nor Congress expected India's Muslims to vote the way they did (because a large part of them knew they would be left behind in India, and would be weaker as a result.) Iqbal's vision was grand in scope, and this is what the Muslims actually voted for. Pakistan is a result of their sacrifice, and one day, we will make good on their sacrifice, God willing. I personally believe that it was for the best, from a long-term civilizational perspective. This is why I subscribe to Iqbal's point of view (later adopted by Jinnah), in the context of the larger Muslim civilization. And it was absolutely necessary for Muslims to control their own destiny, one way or another, to carry out that vision, because that was the first step.
Now, as for (E).... we simply don't know what the British were really thinking. Of course, the British had bigger problems during this time, post-WWII. Each side tries to claim that they know what the British were thinking and provides scant proof to support its arguments. But the fact remains that the British themselves seemed to be ambivalent. And the likely reason for this was their complete loss of moral authority after WWII. The true basis for their rule was the assumed supremacy of the West over the East. But WWII proved to everyone that Europe was not morally superior, and the shock that this caused both in the European psyche and the East, was the true cause, I think, of the falling apart of colonialism.
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Sorry for my double post-website glitch-and perhaps my language.Also wanted to comment on the seemingly nation wide/cultural cognitive dissonance bordering on psychosis of these Indians-I think one of these members summed it up as perfectly as a master-slave.winner-loser,zero-sum,mentality without any flexibility in their psyche-Indians were conquered so much and so long that they cannot think above this mental box and as long as the Indians themselves have a lower caste to brutalize -even their dalits are probably told that they are superior to the ch*nkis -it's okay as a mental salve.BTW these losers' and their ridiculous 2030 India video is only 81/2 years away-what then.
Oh god. I feel so ashamed of these jingoistic Indian hotheads. Why is it so difficult to understand that there was no India before colonialism. We were a bunch of kingdoms fighting each other. There is nothing wrong in acknowledging the fact that various different states bunched up together to form the country of India. Why is that such a bad thing? We Indians are so sucked into the European notion of a nation (because we were created out of that idea) that we try to come up with this fantastical notion that "India" existed prehistorically. It didn't. And that's nothing to be sad about.
All this jingoim among the regular masses is a result of the pathetically spineless Indian media that has come up in the last 7-8 years. I used to regularly follow the bharat rakshak forums about 10-12 years ago. The quality of discussions there were so much balanced, but I just couldn't take it anymore after the rise of these pseudo nationalists. It has become a toxic shithole. And all of these events are connected: the fall of the Indian media, the rise of hollow nationalistic jingoism, the rise of religious polarisation, the selling out of India to the american corporates. These tendencies don't just appear out of a vacuum. Its a long drawn out political process that has resulted into this. I really hope Indians develop some semblance of rationality in the future! I really feel sad for my country.
All this jingoim among the regular masses is a result of the pathetically spineless Indian media that has come up in the last 7-8 years. I used to regularly follow the bharat rakshak forums about 10-12 years ago. The quality of discussions there were so much balanced, but I just couldn't take it anymore after the rise of these pseudo nationalists. It has become a toxic shithole. And all of these events are connected: the fall of the Indian media, the rise of hollow nationalistic jingoism, the rise of religious polarisation, the selling out of India to the american corporates. These tendencies don't just appear out of a vacuum. Its a long drawn out political process that has resulted into this. I really hope Indians develop some semblance of rationality in the future! I really feel sad for my country.
Well said. If one compares Indian media from 10+ years ago and now, the difference is so clear.
Nowadays it's intensely tabloid. WION presenters and the like are always making sure they sound in the know but every sentence is dripping with bias and exaggeration. Basically Indian media now is like a souped up version of Fox/Sky news on its worst days. I remember Indian reporting from early 2000s being rather factual and calm. Now it's always on edge, screaming, angry, manipulative, and usually presents with an air of assuredness.
This trend is set to continue. Modi does enjoy massive support not because of him per se but the overall attitude towards jingoism and ultra nationalist narratives in India and how politically minded most people are. As opposed to being rationally minded. This forum isn't a good place to reflect because it is a political forum at its core. But if you truly understands China and have lived there long enough, it is obvious how apolitical most people are. With India it is excessively in the opposite end for Indians who are not only looking out for their immediate survival e.g. food and water.
I have gone for work visits to china and your factory heads, probably communist party members, have deep complexes wrt India and usa.
Ranting against the Americans to a visiting inspection engineer and comparing india to china without any class. Shut him and the translator up when i said my pet dog has more freedom than a average Chinese.
And rejected a fair bit of equipment. Should have seen his face.
Lol. Feel all good and proud? You are such a crybaby man. You have to give up accounts of your "valiant conquests in china". Seriously, so childish! Do you get 2 bucks for posting here like you get for trolling on twitter?
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