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Ladakh Flash Point
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See you presented him with facts and he immediately shifted the goalposts.
Slippery guys.
Its just a landgrab based on might is right.
I say it again , this was a miscalculation on the part of xi and gang and now they have pushed a reluctant India into the American anti Chinese camp.
They should have completed the land grab but were either too stupid or too cowardly to do that.
Now India has reinforced all along and its more difficult now.
LOL you are saying that Modi's policy didn't change? And it's me shifting goalposts? lol
Okay.
Yes we for some reason completed a land grab for 9 months and Indians were too stupid and cowardly to do anything. When they tried. More than 20 were killed and more than 20 captured. PLA and China showed you the photos and videos. We tied up your soldiers and we returned the captives. Your side said nothing official and hid under a rock. These are facts are they not? Prove me wrong. Don't get slippery on me now.
Your side offered no explanation and no visual evidence of anything that support your bs narratives.
Somehow we captured land we claimed and disengaged? Truly would be stupid. Doesn't add up does it?
You insist on saying China pushed and then won but for some reason too cowardly to persist. Sure mate sure. Suits your Jai hind narrative but doesn't add up at all. You're entitled to being stupid and delusional but reality is different to what you think.
Difficult because you have more men there now? You have got the actual events on backwards. You're reinforcing with men to make a show after the fact. You're far too biased to understand this issue and how things developed and why. For you it is just Jai Hind YES mY iNDia is Da bEstEST. greeeeeat sirrrrrr.
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Oh and since you can't read well. Twin needle asked me to explain something he doesn't understand. I have explained it and he understood. Maybe you should try reading the thread chain carefully instead of jumping in heat with Jai Hind Chinki bad!
Here you go. Read the third paragraph. The concept is perhaps a little challenging for you but try anyway and then explain how your fallacy of Singh being the one under which India China relations broke down or at least created the framework of more direct confrontation. Can Modi not also be responsible or contributed to furthering the divide? Especially with shifting policies during his 5 years in office until Ladakh confrontation?
The chain of logic is so bizarre. The more I deal with Jai Hinds the more I understand why their country is in the shits from 1960 to 2021 and every moment in between.
You started off by blaming the right wing modi for the border conflict and on his mentioning that Manmohan Singh was in charge during the initial 2013 conflict, you changed tracks to ancient chinese claims and century of humiliation and extra valid Chinese claims.
When did that happen? Please show it and I'll happily explain patiently why you are a being a bit simple to say the least.
Why do you insist on taking bits of posts from very different contexts and arguing different points, making different points, and then forcing some strange conflation to say the whole thing doesn't make sense. I notice this is so typical of Jai Hind types.
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Honestly, I think @ougoah explaines his arguement quite well. Its ok to agree to disagreedsometimes. And as it should be clear by now, India and China simply have very different views on such issues. Obviously, since there is a Chinese forum, the bias will be in favor of the Chinese perspective.
Bias sure definitely with many members and even myself. But when we're discussing facts and sharing speculations with reason, then I don't see where there is room for someone like tallgamer to come in taking posts #x, x+100, x+1000 and then saying look you said all these things which are talking about different core issues and so you changing tracks. It is idiotic and there is no good faith. I have only addressed posts directly.
Yes, we obviously all have biases, including myself. Though it's safe to say that as a whole, this forum would lean towards the Chinese side of the arguement. An example is with the claim that Aksai Chin was never part of india, even though the Indian perspective is that it was part of the Jammu and Kashmir princely state, who's maharajahs acceded to India. That is the basis of India's claim. Most members here would go with the claim that Aksai Chin was historically ruled by china in some way, which means it and parts of Ladakh are rightfully Chinese. I am not saying this is a bad thing, I am simply trying to tell @tallgamer that on these subjective debates, it should be expected that most members here take China's side.
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First post that Twinneedle responded to with the asking for explanation which was also explained as that conversation became a revisit of a previous one that actually talked about Modi and Singh. My post did not blame the border conflict on Modi. That would be simplifying something with a long history and layers of complexity... which btw have been visited many times already. Nowhere in my post did I say this conflict is started by Modi. In fact it isn't started by Modi and in the thousand+ pages here you will not find me saying this whole thing is Modi's fault because it very obviously isn't. We've already talked about Doklam, Article 370, CPEC, BRI, summits, agreements, breakdowns etc and the border war. Everything in between.
Now that post of mine clearly pushed your buttons. It was not a post in response to any member here. Just a point I wanted to make about the incompetence of key Indian political and military leaders. I mean you have a guy saying the Su-30MKI can detect a J-20 from over 150km away and another guy who suggested using clouds to hide fighters from radar. You have a guy who vowed the Indian military will shed blood for Aksai Chin and J&K. It is a broad comment on Indian politics and why despite India having more sensible and overall more competent people, they are not elected and a personal comment on why I think that is. It's comforting to have big mouthed braggarts saying delusional things and so demagogues get voted in. And even when they lie and fail (which Modi have done plenty more times than his peers) they are still supported because there is a doubling down on those trust in the false narratives.
It wasn't a comment about how Singh is better than Modi on managing India China issues and relation.
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