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Abominable

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Once again,

First, this map fails to show the patrol points.
Second, China's perception of Claims.
LAC lies beyond PP. PP15 lies on the other side of the river. Whether the yellow bulge (which signifies China's claim line therefore takes up PP15 is a matter better left to China to decide).


Amusing, you insist it is "politically motivated" but is quite ready to cite a map drawn by a politically motivated think tank shill who smugly and openly admits to its political bias.
But it agrees with what his government is saying, therefore it must be right.
 

twineedle

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As stated before India's historic perception of the LAC has always been around 500m south of the Galwan bend. This is in line with the CIA map of the early 2000s as well as with historic Indian documents and is exactly what is currently shown on Google Earth, which means the LAC has remained the same as it has been for decades. No clear unbiased evidence has been provided otherwise. It should also be clear that Indian soldiers never patrol exactly to their perception of the LAC, the LAC is typically about 1-3 km from the pps. Even Brig. RJS said Indian soldiers never patrolled past the bend, since any tactical operation there(which includes patrolling) is "suicidal." to quote his words. Last July both sides disengaged from the Indian perception of the LAC, which means China is even further from its perception/claim than it was before.

And no, China never came close to its perception. China's historic claim is roughly 1.5 km from pp`14/bend and about 2 km from the historic Indian claim line, as shown in the below image. As shown in the updated google Earth images, india's furthers forward camp is well past China's historic claim line, while China's furthest camp is even behind the Shukla claim line, let alone India's historic LAC perception. That is not even taking into account the claims implied by the Chinese Embassy, which lie even further west.

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Even in hot Springs, India is currently deployed well within China's perception.
 

Xsizor

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As stated before India's historic perception of the LAC has always been around 500m south of the Galwan bend. This is in line with the CIA map of the early 2000s as well as with historic Indian documents and is exactly what is currently shown on Google Earth, which means the LAC has remained the same as it has been for decades. No clear unbiased evidence has been provided otherwise. It should also be clear that Indian soldiers never patrol exactly to their perception of the LAC, the LAC is typically about 1-3 km from the pps. Even Brig. RJS said Indian soldiers never patrolled past the bend, since any tactical operation there(which includes patrolling) is "suicidal." to quote his words. Last July both sides disengaged from the Indian perception of the LAC, which means China is even further from its perception/claim than it was before.

And no, China never came close to its perception. China's historic claim is roughly 1.5 km from pp`14/bend and about 2 km from the historic Indian claim line, as shown in the below image. As shown in the updated google Earth images, india's furthers forward camp is well past China's historic claim line, while China's furthest camp is even behind the Shukla claim line, let alone India's historic LAC perception. That is not even taking into account the claims implied by the Chinese Embassy, which lie even further west.

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Even in hot Springs, India is currently deployed well within China's perception.
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The map has been discussed before and doesn't depict claims after 1962 war of China.
(it is besides the point that the map is not to scale, zoomed out and is a poor tool for any useful discussion)

You keep posting the same things. I keep answering the usual.

Refer previous posts.
 
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twineedle

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The map has been discussed before and doesn't depict claims after 1962 war of China.
(it is besides the point that the map is not to scale, zoomed out and is a poor tool for any useful discussion)
So according to you, what are those claims? multiple maps show China's historic claim roughly 2 km from the current lac. That is not even taking into account China's latest claims, which include the entire valley.
And the ground reality is, China tried to shift the LAC west to match with its historic claims but failed. Tha LAC is the same place it has been for decades.
 
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Xsizor

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So according to you, what are those claims? multiple maps show China's historic claim roughly 2 km from the current lac. That is not even taking into account China's latest claims, which include the entire valley.
You mean "Perceptions". When you consistently post with the use of the word "Perception" when it comes to Claims and LAC, it's pretty evident you are at discomfort.

China's claim in 1962 seems to have become history (not to its entirety though).
I thought you'd have realized that when China evaded the chance to set down its version of claims for an LAC after the war or recently when she claimed Galwan to most of its entirety.

All we can say is China is dynamic when seeking its claims with regards to India. In many regions it may roughly coincide with the claims in 1960.
 

twineedle

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You mean "Perceptions". When you consistently post with the use of the word "Perception" when it comes to Claims and LAC, it's pretty evident you are at discomfort.

China's claim in 1962 seems to have become history (not to its entirety though).
I thought you'd have realized that when China evaded the chance to set down its version of claims for an LAC after the war or recently when she claimed Galwan to most of its entirety.

All we can say is China is dynamic when seeking its claims with regards to India. In many regions it may roughly coincide with the claims in 1960.
I use the word perceptions because that is the official GOI terminology wrt LAC
 

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