I guess Biscuits is just fed up with people using the Lavi J-10 connection to make inaccurate and silly statements about the overall ability of the Chinese aerospace industry and sometimes broad generalisations about Chinese. In reality there is no shame even in making a direct Lavi copy which the J-10 is not (as opposed to J-11A and to a great extent J-11B and flanker types).
Most nations cannot even understand the concepts behind the Lavi let alone even try their hand at a copy. And this is Chinese aerospace industry about 40 years ago now. Yet many still use this to back up their denigration of something like J-20. Great example is when some members here said something along the lines of China could not have possibly made a 5th gen fighter because China never made a 4th gen fighter themselves since J-10 is a total copy of Lavi. It's IMPOSSIBLE to leapfrog
and therefore J-20 must not be 5th gen. There are many things wrong with that including the 5th gen definition and LockMart - USAF terminology, but this should give people an idea why some members may react emotionally to the never-ending Lavi J-10 talk.
@Biscuits, just accept that some people are not interested in truth or understanding the complexity and nuances in the world, they are motivated by personal politics, tribalism, and preferences for their own dogmatic belief systems. Often they're just too simple to put in the effort to differentiate between how the FCS has to be different between an AL31 powered J-10 with different geometries with a F-100 powered Lavi. Do not take it seriously and while I'm in the camp where I consider J-10A heavily based on the Lavi program. I explained in post above how the J-10A still differs considerably enough and the lessons learned from Lavi helped create J-10A which helped develop it into a more capable platform in J-10C, using entirely Chinese components and subsystems (which even applied to J-10A). There is no shame in that even though many idiots online want to shame due to those personal motivations.
Most nations cannot even understand the concepts behind the Lavi let alone even try their hand at a copy. And this is Chinese aerospace industry about 40 years ago now. Yet many still use this to back up their denigration of something like J-20. Great example is when some members here said something along the lines of China could not have possibly made a 5th gen fighter because China never made a 4th gen fighter themselves since J-10 is a total copy of Lavi. It's IMPOSSIBLE to leapfrog
and therefore J-20 must not be 5th gen. There are many things wrong with that including the 5th gen definition and LockMart - USAF terminology, but this should give people an idea why some members may react emotionally to the never-ending Lavi J-10 talk.@Biscuits, just accept that some people are not interested in truth or understanding the complexity and nuances in the world, they are motivated by personal politics, tribalism, and preferences for their own dogmatic belief systems. Often they're just too simple to put in the effort to differentiate between how the FCS has to be different between an AL31 powered J-10 with different geometries with a F-100 powered Lavi. Do not take it seriously and while I'm in the camp where I consider J-10A heavily based on the Lavi program. I explained in post above how the J-10A still differs considerably enough and the lessons learned from Lavi helped create J-10A which helped develop it into a more capable platform in J-10C, using entirely Chinese components and subsystems (which even applied to J-10A). There is no shame in that even though many idiots online want to shame due to those personal motivations.
