JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread


Brumby

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Yes, but an AESA allows for canting of the nose-cone, which improves aerodynamics, doesn't it?

It was my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that because an AESA doesn't need to pivot mechanically, this allows for changes to the crossection to improve aerodynamics... I thought that was the reason why jets which are upgraded to an AESA usually also get a canted nose-cone...

p.s. as you pointed out this prototype doesnt even have a radar yet... so its possible when they install one it may come with a canted nose cone perhaps
The optimal spacing of TR in AESA design is half wavelength which in turn results in a maximum 120 degree scanning FOV. The canting I believe allows some freedom of movement of the plate resulting in a higher FOV both in elevation and in azimuth. Canting is therefore a design choice to widen FOV without pointing the nose

In Western design, increasing situational awareness is via data linking rather than via individual platforms.
 

Mohsin77

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The optimal spacing of TR in AESA design is half wavelength which in turn results in a maximum 120 degree scanning FOV. The canting I believe allows some freedom of movement of the plate resulting in a higher FOV both in elevation and in azimuth. Canting is therefore a design choice to widen FOV without pointing the nose

In Western design, increasing situational awareness is via data linking rather than via individual platforms.
Oh... okay that explains why the J-10C/J-11Ds got canted nose-cones and the Eagle/Vipers didn't. Kudos Brumby!
 

plawolf

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Yes, but an AESA allows for canting of the nose-cone, which improves aerodynamics, doesn't it?

It was my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that because an AESA doesn't need to pivot mechanically, this allows for changes to the crossection to improve aerodynamics... I thought that was the reason why jets which are upgraded to an AESA usually also get a canted nose-cone...

p.s. as you pointed out this prototype doesnt even have a radar yet... so its possible when they install one it may come with a canted nose cone perhaps
There are a couple of different points I think you might be conflating.

There is canted mounting of an AESA radar within the radome, and then there are changes to the external shaping of the radome itself.

You can mount an AESA radar in a canted position without needing to make any external changes to the radome, and that is normally the case when existing designs are upgraded to have AESA radars. The only changes that might be made in such cases would be the cut of the radome and how it is mated to the rest of the plane, as often it is preferred to have the cut and break line match the canting of the radar to make inspection and maintenance easier, but that’s not a strict necessity.

The only instance I can think of where the external shape of a fighter‘s radome changed upon upgrading to ESA radar was the move from J10A to J10B/C.

However, that change is almost certainly a result of the general comprehensive changes made to the J10 airframe rather than being a specific requirement of moving to an ESA radar.
 

Deino

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Even if not confirmed yet, this particular JF-17 with the serial no. 2P-60 - aka the 60th Block 2 aircraft built - is said to be the first for Nigeria.

Also interesting, they are said to be named 'Neelum' aka 'Blue Sapphire' similar to those to Myanmar are called 'Ruby'.

By the way, here was 2P-60 also spotted together with 2P-61. Is this one also for Nigeria? Also new is JF-17B no. 19-605.

(Image via Zohaib Malik via FB and GriffinsRule/PDF)


JF-17N 2P-60 - first for Nigeria.jpgJF-17N 2P-60 - first for Nigeria + 2P-61 + JF-17B 19-605.jpg
 

defenceman

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Even if not confirmed yet, this particular JF-17 with the serial no. 2P-60 - aka the 60th Block 2 aircraft built - is said to be the first for Nigeria.

Also interesting, they are said to be named 'Neelum' aka 'Blue Sapphire' similar to those to Myanmar are called 'Ruby'.

By the way, here was 2P-60 also spotted together with 2P-61. Is this one also for Nigeria? Also new is JF-17B no. 19-605.

(Image via Zohaib Malik via FB and GriffinsRule/PDF)


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Hi looks like beside 605 2p 66B & 67B also there those can also be for Nigeria if I may guess
thank you
 

ougoah

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You two are going to derail this thread with off-topic, super inflammatory stuff.

Can we all just agree that the decision from PAF to use a Turkish targeting pod is based on multiple points of consideration. It doesn't say anything about Turkish or Chinese pods. Pakistan is looking to cozy up with Turkey even more in future and military cooperation was always there and only seems to be increasing. Let it go.
 

Air Force Brat

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The only thing Turkey is very capable of is getting smacked around by Russia. Take a piece of friendly advice from me: do something about that burning, passionate desire you have to be ruled by Turks. Emigrate to Turkey and be ruled by Turks or something, but understand that there's no Ottoman empire and no khalifah. That's gone forever. Grow up, stop believing in fairy tales, and develop a modern, secular national identity.
Dial it back here Gents! way back! Do NOT respond to moderators warning:
 

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