JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

i.e.

Senior Member
Qasim:
I am not convinced by your reasoning. While no one is rich enough to buy everything he wanted, China isn't exactly short of money. In case you have not noticed, per soldier spending for China now exceed Taiwan and close to South Korea. When you consider the low wage, the amount of money to spend on the new toys is more than apparent. The fact that China would invest in expensive toys like J-20 means China is willing to trade quality for quantity.

I still maintain my argument that J-10 is a better buy due to performance. The effective price for PLA will not be different enough to make FC-1 attractive, even if J-10 is more expensive after all the accounting. The fact that WS-10 is domestically produced while RD-33 is not is enough for PLA to chose J-10 over FC-1. Despite of similarities, there will still be additional logistic cost associated with additional aircraft type. So balance is even more tilted toward J-10.

Your argument on the airshow performance strike me as a bit desperate. PLA knows better then anyone the true performance of J-10, and is hence not likely to be swayed. And there is plenty of reason why China chose not to show J-10's full capability -- safety, it's not looking to sale the aircraft, and secrecy. If I remember correctly, J-10s flied in formation, while FC-1 as a single aircraft. And in formation flying, one do need to be much more conservative, due to the risk of collision. So the comparison may not be fair, to begin with.

The only reason I can think of for PLA to buy FC-1 is for it to serve as Pakistani strategic reserve, in case war between India and Pakistan starts. In which case China would just fly the fighters to Pakistan to the hands of the Pakistani pilots already trained to operate them. Even as such, FC-1 have no chance of being a mainstay of the Chinese Air Force.



I wouldn't mind if PLAAF gets a special version for CAS. replacing Q-5. now that single seat Q-5 line is finally shut down.
but that's not a priority. imagine a bigger winged FC-1"Q".

J-10 is what PLAAF they want for interceptor regiment service. not atleast because of superior range.
 

nemo

Junior Member
I wouldn't mind if PLAAF gets a special version for CAS. replacing Q-5. now that single seat Q-5 line is finally shut down.
but that's not a priority. imagine a bigger winged FC-1"Q".

J-10 is what PLAAF they want for interceptor regiment service. not atleast because of superior range.

Wouldn't WZ-10 and JH-7 be more appropriate than FC-1 in CAS role?
 

greenspark

New Member
Registered Member
I'm too lazy to copy and paste (if I can here), but in case this thead below with its nice JF-17's pics has not caught you guys attention, let it be enjoyed and appreciated now :ht tp:/ /lt.cjdby. net /thread-1313847-1-1..............

Do we need to login with a QQ no to view pics? i cant see any !
 

Player99

Junior Member
Do we need to login with a QQ no to view pics? i cant see any !

Hmm, I didn't pay attention to that. I am, however, usually logged in when viewing threads there, because some posters like to require one to log in to view the pics. Let me see if I can post the pics here...

215711wp5w55qbel5jg90p.jpg
215255asuu30u3008wlgba.jpg
215447xh6ezzatse3xsiss.jpg
2152139zl5rzpgp.jpg

Someone recognized the background of the third pic (buildings) to be in Zhuhai.
 
Last edited:

timepass

Brigadier
I think we should compare J9/JF17 to J7, the possible replacement option which is far better in all aspacts as we are talking here +600 – J7 to replace. Deffinatly we cannot compare J9/JF17 to J10A/B.

I hope this will assist.

---------- Post added at 12:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 PM ----------

I think we should compare J9/JF17 to J7, the possible replacement option which is far better in all aspacts as we are talking here +600 – J7 to replace. Deffinatly we cannot compare J9/JF17 to J10A/B.

I hope this will assist.
 

nemo

Junior Member
I think we should compare J9/JF17 to J7, the possible replacement option which is far better in all aspects as we are talking here +600 – J7 to replace. Definitely we cannot compare J9/JF17 to J10A/B.
Why? PLA can definitely afford to replace a mere 600 J7 with J10 around 10 years. As a fraction of GDP, J-10 is probably cheaper than J7 in the 80s. Again, PLA now spend more per soldier than Taiwan -- money is not a major issue.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Wouldn't WZ-10 and JH-7 be more appropriate than FC-1 in CAS role?

WZ-10 is good for armed recon only , would not stand up to full frontal assault.
JH-7 is too big, good for standoff strike but not CAS.

Q-5 is used to put 57mm rockets and Cluster bombs on soviet tank formation in northern and western china.

A bigger winged FC-1 is perfect. if they ever strap HJ-10 like they done with brimstone on to FC-1.
 

T-U-P

The Punisher
Staff member
Super Moderator
Registered Member
WZ-10 is good for armed recon only , would not stand up to full frontal assault.
JH-7 is too big, good for standoff strike but not CAS.

Q-5 is used to put 57mm rockets and Cluster bombs on soviet tank formation in northern and western china.

A bigger winged FC-1 is perfect. if they ever strap HJ-10 like they done with brimstone on to FC-1.
I thought the new WZ-19 is aimed for armed recon, and WZ-10 is suppose to be a heavy attack helicopter.
 
Top