JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[tphuang]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

This is my last post for a long time.

TP obviously you are a part of the "penis contest". You did not say it, but you just showed that you think you are the one.

I merely commented on Rhino's post and pointed out that Pakistanis do not consider Russia a reliable enough supplier. There was no India, Western Engine, or China in that post. Why did you delete that post? Munir protested and if you took it personally then that is fine, we find moderators like that on other forums, but why delete post like mine which had nothing objectionalble. Or is it that you can not stand people discussing alternate engine for JF17?

Okay, continue the immaturity by calling me a "penis". Good on you.

As part of being in this forum, you should obey rules about not turning threads into flames. You ask me why deleting posts like yours which has nothing objectionable.

You missed my posts just above that said:
"This is a warning, if this penis contest continues, I will be deleting posts."
I issued this warning after seeing several members complaining in earlier pages about this topic has turned the thread into a circular debate of whether or not JF-17 will get Western engine. If you choose to not obey the most basic rules like that in a forum, I have no choice but to delete your post.

Just do me a favour next time. If you don't want to post anymore, don't post. Don't bother throwing insult at anyone, especially a moderator.

 

[lilzz]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

In a way, its understandable for Pak fans not wanting to depend on Russian RD-99 engines for it FC-1 fighter. Its a matter of national security.

 

[Lion]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

In a way, its understandable for Pak fans not wanting to depend on Russian RD-99 engines for it FC-1 fighter. Its a matter of national security.

I think such issue was long discussed and gurantee stable supply by China before FC-1 was finalised in design and round on RD-93.

The fact Putin snubbed India and irked the deal on supply of RD-93 to Pakistan more or less showed the confident on engine supply from Russia.

 

[yehe]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Actually, I think its just that the pakistanis trust the western products far more than they trust Chinese and Russian ones, understandable, but the quality edge western product have over china and russia are today been way overstimated, all the hollywood propaganda after the cold war reinforced this view among many.

Take the Russian 117 engine for example, the lifespan of the engine have been doubled compared with older AL31, significiantly reduce maintainence cost, western engine simply no longer have much quality edge anymore.

 

[Londo Molari]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

I think there is a perception that the JF-17 is underpowered. Since its a small fighter with a small radar, it can hardly dominate the BVR battlefield. So as a small fighter, it is expected to excel in air combat maneuvering. I think that's why so many people are always bringing up switching the engine, without realizing how impractical that is (even though I think its fully possible, even for Pakistan).

But looking at the numbers, really its thrust to weight ratio is almost identical to the Gripen.

Edit: I removed my original response to flyboy2008, because I just saw that this discussion is being actively moderated.

 

[Munir]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

This is my last post for a long time.

TP obviously you are a part of the "penis contest". You did not say it, but you just showed that you think you are the one.

I merely commented on Rhino's post and pointed out that Pakistanis do not consider Russia a reliable enough supplier. There was no India, Western Engine, or China in that post. Why did you delete that post? Munir protested and if you took it personally then that is fine, we find moderators like that on other forums, but why delete post like mine which had nothing objectionalble. Or is it that you can not stand people discussing alternate engine for JF17?

I have been following TPHUANG for some years. We had several arguments about whether China sells or does not sell latest to Pakistan. Even if you showed examples it was not good enough. Now it is suddenly about a contest while there is no evidence. He probably wants to use his mod card. Probably no other option.

 

[Lion]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

I have been following TPHUANG for some years. We had several arguments about whether China sells or does not sell latest to Pakistan. Even if you showed examples it was not good enough. Now it is suddenly about a contest while there is no evidence. He probably wants to use his mod card. Probably no other option.

I believe you shall keep this comment private or direct to another moderator.

This thread is about JF-17. Or you forget to look before you post?

 

[yehe]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

There are some new JF17 cockpit pictures that showed the avionics of JF17, looks fully digitised, a glass cockpit, seems like pakistan might be going for Chinese made avionics after all?

Anyone care to put a picture up?

 

[Indianfighter]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Don't mean to contribute to the quarelling, but I have to comment that changing an engine is no joke, or an activity that is as simple as changing the LAN card of a PC. There are many aerodynamic constraints like air-flow, intakes, weight, fuselage housing, fuel-supply, etc.

Besides, most fighter jets are designed around a proven engine, like how JF-17 was built around the RD-93. However, adding an altogether new engine means going back to the drawing board for some redesign (although not from scratch).

For Pakistan, which has little experience in this field, it can take China's help given that China has designed the FC-1 for the most part, and has much more experience in engines and fuselage redesign.


Mod Note: If you don't mean to contribute to quarreling, then there is not need to do it.

 

[rhino123]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Don't mean to contribute to the quarelling, but I have to comment that changing an engine is no joke, or an activity that is as simple as changing the LAN card of a PC. There are many aerodynamic constraints like air-flow, intakes, weight, fuselage housing, fuel-supply, etc.

Besides, most fighter jets are designed around a proven engine, like how JF-17 was built around the RD-93. However, adding an altogether new engine means going back to the drawing board for some redesign (although not from scratch).

For Pakistan, which has little experience in this field, it can take China's help given that China has designed the FC-1 for the most part, and has much more experience in engines and fuselage redesign.

I agree with you on this issue. But as pointed out by many and myself from the above other posts... I couldn't see the need to do it, since the JF17 worked pretty well with its current engine.