JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Semi-Lobster
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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
Meh, I'm not suer if I trust him, from the posts I've browsed he seems to be somewhat of a troll, if there was a link or something, I'd be more inclined to believe him. (then again Keypub is nothing but IAF vs PAF threads these days) althought I have actually heard from several sources that the PT-04 having full FBW though.
Meh, I'm not suer if I trust him, from the posts I've browsed he seems to be somewhat of a troll, if there was a link or something, I'd be more inclined to believe him. (then again Keypub is nothing but IAF vs PAF threads these days) althought I have actually heard from several sources that the PT-04 having full FBW though.
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
It say FC-1 is produced not due to China national defense requirement but due to partner and international demand for a low cost, capable fighter to those country not able to purchase or access western fighter aircraft.
It's biggest selling point is it low cost and cost effective while doesn't compromise performance and capabilites. FC-1 presently has already reach 3rd generation(4th generation in international context).
It's main rival will be F-16 in the international market. Since it launched, it has many other countries enquiry abt it availability.
The design and produce of FC-1 has also result in many new technology improvement achieved and break through for CAC.
It say FC-1 is produced not due to China national defense requirement but due to partner and international demand for a low cost, capable fighter to those country not able to purchase or access western fighter aircraft.
It's biggest selling point is it low cost and cost effective while doesn't compromise performance and capabilites. FC-1 presently has already reach 3rd generation(4th generation in international context).
It's main rival will be F-16 in the international market. Since it launched, it has many other countries enquiry abt it availability.
The design and produce of FC-1 has also result in many new technology improvement achieved and break through for CAC.
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
Interesting video showing FC-1 conduct a series of test like air engagement and enemy missile evasion. Video show FC-1 capable of making steep climb after take off. Something similiar to J-10(of course not as good as J-10 but something impressive).
Video also show smoky trail of the engines for the flight and is the reason probably keeping off PLAAF from ordering it until WS-13 or other solution is founded.
Interesting video showing FC-1 conduct a series of test like air engagement and enemy missile evasion. Video show FC-1 capable of making steep climb after take off. Something similiar to J-10(of course not as good as J-10 but something impressive).
Video also show smoky trail of the engines for the flight and is the reason probably keeping off PLAAF from ordering it until WS-13 or other solution is founded.
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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
J10 dumped every gram of extra fuel seconds before getting vertical. If you know the insights of the AL31 then you would understand the start sequence... Just do the same math for JF17 and it wil go up as easy... I hope you saw how J10 with fueltanks and bombs went up... Agonizing slow. Why do I not hear something wbout that?
There is not much complexity if you nkow thrust/weight ratio...
Check 1:44 with 1.51
J10 dumped every gram of extra fuel seconds before getting vertical. If you know the insights of the AL31 then you would understand the start sequence... Just do the same math for JF17 and it wil go up as easy... I hope you saw how J10 with fueltanks and bombs went up... Agonizing slow. Why do I not hear something wbout that?
There is not much complexity if you nkow thrust/weight ratio...Check 1:44 with 1.51
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Londo Molari
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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
I doubt the J-10 was trying to do a vertical climb with that massive load-out. Also, I doubt any other fighters can do vertical climbs with full bomb+fueltank load-outs.
As for that airshow J-10 climb, I didn't know they released any information about how much fuel was on-board. As far as we know, the tank could have been full. And even if it had little fuel, it performed the climb without afterburners, which is pretty impressive.
I'm pretty sure JF-17 has a lower TWR than J-10. I think JF-17 TWR is lower than 1:1 even with empty fuel. Just like Gripen.
I doubt the J-10 was trying to do a vertical climb with that massive load-out. Also, I doubt any other fighters can do vertical climbs with full bomb+fueltank load-outs.
As for that airshow J-10 climb, I didn't know they released any information about how much fuel was on-board. As far as we know, the tank could have been full. And even if it had little fuel, it performed the climb without afterburners, which is pretty impressive.
I'm pretty sure JF-17 has a lower TWR than J-10. I think JF-17 TWR is lower than 1:1 even with empty fuel. Just like Gripen.
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
You need fuel to startup, taxi etc... Just before you really want to fly you release fuel to get good TWC. What else happened a few seconds before full throttle? They do the same prior to landing to lower weight so you can stop faster or reduce damage. Just look for some video's and you will understand waht I mean. And flying a few minutes is not comparable with average mission of 2-4 hours... So without ordnance and as low as possible fuel you have extremely low weight. Then it is not strange that everyone is impressed by going vertical... I do not say that it is not agile or low on TWC but I do say is that if you reduce load on JF17 and minimum fuel you will get impressive results.
About planes doing it fully loaded... Never unless you wanne destroy the plane. About your remark that JF17 or Gripen has lower then 1. I am looking forward to real data. I Think that an empty plane with zero fuel or ordnance has no TWC cause it will not get in the air! And if it has some fuel then I hope that it is more then 1 otherwise you have a pilot that is as agile as a dead bird goign down.
You need fuel to startup, taxi etc... Just before you really want to fly you release fuel to get good TWC. What else happened a few seconds before full throttle? They do the same prior to landing to lower weight so you can stop faster or reduce damage. Just look for some video's and you will understand waht I mean. And flying a few minutes is not comparable with average mission of 2-4 hours... So without ordnance and as low as possible fuel you have extremely low weight. Then it is not strange that everyone is impressed by going vertical... I do not say that it is not agile or low on TWC but I do say is that if you reduce load on JF17 and minimum fuel you will get impressive results.
About planes doing it fully loaded... Never unless you wanne destroy the plane. About your remark that JF17 or Gripen has lower then 1. I am looking forward to real data. I Think that an empty plane with zero fuel or ordnance has no TWC cause it will not get in the air! And if it has some fuel then I hope that it is more then 1 otherwise you have a pilot that is as agile as a dead bird goign down.
Londo Molari
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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009
In order to do a steep climb like that, you need to have a higher TWR than 1:1 at that moment. I think if it was possible for JF-17 to have more than 1:1 TWR at anytime, in any config (e.g. low fuel) then they would have advertised the crap out of it as "higher than 1:1 TWR!". Given that the aircraft is mainly geared for export, I doubt they would hide any specs that make it look good.
In order to do a steep climb like that, you need to have a higher TWR than 1:1 at that moment. I think if it was possible for JF-17 to have more than 1:1 TWR at anytime, in any config (e.g. low fuel) then they would have advertised the crap out of it as "higher than 1:1 TWR!". Given that the aircraft is mainly geared for export, I doubt they would hide any specs that make it look good.
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