Jeff Head's 2013 Report on the PLAN

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steve_rolfe said:

Thanks 'Jeff' i always look forward to reading your latest updates on the 'PLAN'.

Thanks for your time, in giving us these details.

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You are very welcome. And thak YOU for taking the time to read them. Please feel free to pass the link/site around to others who may share interest. I've been keeping that site for ten years now and it seems hard to believe. But I enjoy doing it.

Dizasta1 said:

Is it me or is this image a bit weird? Check the back of the ship, where the helipad is. Looks like someone shopped it!

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A lot of photographers who get these pics put their "watermark" of sorts into the pics. I believe that's what that is though it appears to be Chinese characters and I cannot read it.

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How do you know what the capabilities of the type 095 SSN is?

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J-XX said:

How do you know what the capabilities of the type 095 SSN is?

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Here is what I indicated in the report about the Type 095:

Rising Sea Dragon - 2013 Report said:

These vessels are apparently enhanced versions of the Type 093 and improve in quietness with reactor noise reduction and tiling to reduce signature. Analysts are unsure at this point if these new vessels will come close to the Flight II Los Angeles class standard.

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I base this on my own contacts in the intelligence ciommunity, my own contacts in Asia (in and out of China), and on my own experience and analysis of that information.

Hope that helps. Time will tell how close it is.

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Jeff Head said:

Here is what I indicated in the report about the Type 095:



I base this on my own contacts in the intelligence ciommunity, my own contacts in Asia (in and out of China), and on my own experience and analysis of that information.

Hope that helps. Time will tell how close it is.

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I'm skeptical about this.
The intelligence community has a very poor record on many things for a long time now.
I would take what these guys say with a massive grain of salt.
Fact is, the capabilities of the type 095 are all a guess right now.

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J-XX said:

I'm skeptical about this.
The intelligence community has a very poor record on many things for a long time now.
I would take what these guys say with a massive grain of salt.
Fact is, the capabilities of the type 095 are all a guess right now.

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Well, I am sure you base your thinking in that regard on a very few well publicized accounts in the press. I do not. I base mine on people I have known, personally for many years, and what I have seen over those years as opposed to what politicians and the not-journalists we have running around in the media today.

You hear about a few mistakes they make, but they represent a very, very small portion and fraction of the whole...and many of those reports themself are spun for pother's purposes and goals.

You rarely hear when they get it right...it's the nature of the business. We should also hear about less when they get it wrong other than the individuals in positions of national trust dealing with it and correcting it the best they can without "leaking" it to the presss. It's why we elect leaders, to make such choices, and then if for any reason we feel as though we have lost their trust or do not like their judgement, we replace them.

But in this age of total politics, far too much is "leaked" for polotical purposes and then the capabilities are lessened because the more an adversary knows about your abilities, the better able they are to figure out who, and when, and what and take action to counter it.

So, I do not mistrust the US intelligence community at all. I have known people involved, as I say, for many years and some of them are personal friends of mine. They get it right many many times more than they get it wrong.

As regards the Type 095...there's chatter out there...there's research...there's hints and talk, and then I compare all of that to what I am seeing and where the technology is...and what we see for ourselves out of China...this is what I use as a basis for analysis.

You can take it any or all of it with a grain of salt if you wish...I do not claim that they are absolute facts. But I believe they are pretty darn close.

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Jeff Head said:

Well, I am sure you base your thinking in that regard on a very few well publicized accounts in the press. I do not. I base mine on people I have known, personally for many years, and what I have seen over those years as opposed to what politicians and the not-journalists we have running around in the media today.

You hear about a few mistakes they make, but they represent a very, very small portion and fraction of the whole...and many of those reports themself are spun for pother's purposes and goals.

You rarely hear when they get it right...it's the nature of the business. We should also hear about less when they get it wrong other than the individuals in positions of national trust dealing with it and correcting it the best they can without "leaking" it to the presss. It's why we elect leaders, to make such choices, and then if for any reason we feel as though we have lost their trust or do not like their judgement, we replace them.

But in this age of total politics, far too much is "leaked" for polotical purposes and then the capabilities are lessened because the more an adversary knows about your abilities, the better able they are to figure out who, and when, and what and take action to counter it.

So, I do not mistrust the US intelligence community at all. I have known people involved, as I say, for many years and some of them are personal friends of mine. They get it right many many times more than they get it wrong.

As regards the Type 095...there's chatter out there...there's research...there's hints and talk, and then I compare all of that to what I am seeing and where the technology is...and what we see for ourselves out of China...this is what I use as a basis for analysis.

You can take it any or all of it with a grain of salt if you wish...I do not claim that they are absolute facts. But I believe they are pretty darn close.

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Jeff – we all still remember the WMD in Iraq propaganda of CIA.

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timepass said:

Jeff – we all still remember the WMD in Iraq propaganda of CIA.

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that is a separate matter and i disagree on you mentioning it or making any inference to Jeff's work and colleagues, without having any further information with regards

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paintgun said:

that is a separate matter

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How pathetic

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timepass said:

Jeff – we all still remember the WMD in Iraq propaganda of CIA.

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I was going to say the same thing and many more examples of just how incompetent these intelligence communities are.
Quite frankly anyone can say 'oh I have connections in the intelligence community' and say 'I know the capabilities of this and that'. Doesn't prove anything.
These guys couldn't even get the J-20 right and they think they know everything.

Bottom line is without proof, the capabilities of the Type 095 are all a guess right now.

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paintgun said:

that is a separate matter and i disagree on you mentioning it or making any inference to Jeff's work and colleagues, without having any further information with regards

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Without having further information for what? Type 095?