J31 program is military version of Huawei, most griping in US minds.
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Frankly the idea that the J-31 is a threat is rather premature for obvious reason that it still exist as a demonstrator and its capabilities far from determined.
However I will briefly comment on the article in reference to the "technological gap" because it is fundamental behind the aggressive actions taken by the US administration. A technological advantage underpins US policy behind its strategic assessment against potential threats to its position and security. China has been making inroads in closing the technological gap through espionage, IP theft and forced technology transfer It is foolish thinking to assume that the US will not respond to continuing developments that undermine its security and its economic interest. As an example when it comes to market access, both Google and Facebook had been banned in China long before the US's recent actions. All the complains about bullying is rather rich when China has been actively engaging in bullying countries and companies in pursuance of its national interest.
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So the idea here is for China to do something that it thinks would rile the US galls and nothing else ? Gee, talk about a rather twisted example of cutting ones nose to spite the face.
For starters the J-31 is hardly the sole focus of US defense talks in the past decade, the Su-57 has garnered just as much talk of its potentials and export. It is just that the J-31 bears a greater similarity to the F-35 that makes it a better eye catcher in the headlines. If a few online articles suffice to justify a particular priority on an issue, I can bring forth a multitude of other topics that are just as gripping to the US's eye, namely : The Venezuelan crisis, the ongoing Iran war, the Syrian civil war, the Iskandar SRBM, the Yasen SSGN, North Korean ballistic missiles. All of which has a list of articles which are just as much, if not greater than the J-31 had commanded in the past.
Then there is the whole tortuous issue of making the J-31 marketable at a reasonable price tag. Considering how much effort has been put in to market the JF-17, one can imagine that in order for the J-31 to appear anymore appealing China would have to offer advance loans to the buying nation, hardly a recipe for commercial success in any stretch of the imagination. And then ticking off the list of nations who are by default wealthy enough to buy the J-31 and would not just as easily use the J-31 in mutual exercise with the US or any US affiliated nations and then automatically compromising its capabilities and you get a pretty merger selection to go by. And this is assuming, and that is a very BIG if, the final iteration of the J-31 would approach a level that would be considered an equal to the F-35 or the F-22 because in order for the J-31 to be successful, it has to present itself as a reasonably priced fighter
Moreover geopoliticaly a successful J-31 sale will have far less impact than, lets say a successful 5G contract sale. Heck, China can get just as much geopolitical and economical points by simply offering the multitude of 3 to 4 gen fighters it is developing alongside a healthy selection of air to ground munitions. A JH-7 armed with a AKG-400 AShM is a grave threat to any ship unless it has a full anti air suite.
For starters the J-31 is hardly the sole focus of US defense talks in the past decade, the Su-57 has garnered just as much talk of its potentials and export. It is just that the J-31 bears a greater similarity to the F-35 that makes it a better eye catcher in the headlines. If a few online articles suffice to justify a particular priority on an issue, I can bring forth a multitude of other topics that are just as gripping to the US's eye, namely : The Venezuelan crisis, the ongoing Iran war, the Syrian civil war, the Iskandar SRBM, the Yasen SSGN, North Korean ballistic missiles. All of which has a list of articles which are just as much, if not greater than the J-31 had commanded in the past.
Then there is the whole tortuous issue of making the J-31 marketable at a reasonable price tag. Considering how much effort has been put in to market the JF-17, one can imagine that in order for the J-31 to appear anymore appealing China would have to offer advance loans to the buying nation, hardly a recipe for commercial success in any stretch of the imagination. And then ticking off the list of nations who are by default wealthy enough to buy the J-31 and would not just as easily use the J-31 in mutual exercise with the US or any US affiliated nations and then automatically compromising its capabilities and you get a pretty merger selection to go by. And this is assuming, and that is a very BIG if, the final iteration of the J-31 would approach a level that would be considered an equal to the F-35 or the F-22 because in order for the J-31 to be successful, it has to present itself as a reasonably priced fighter
Moreover geopoliticaly a successful J-31 sale will have far less impact than, lets say a successful 5G contract sale. Heck, China can get just as much geopolitical and economical points by simply offering the multitude of 3 to 4 gen fighters it is developing alongside a healthy selection of air to ground munitions. A JH-7 armed with a AKG-400 AShM is a grave threat to any ship unless it has a full anti air suite.
It's way more than just defense talk , it gets into economics and geopolitical aspects.
Different than Su-57. Even SU35 cost more than 100 million, so SU57 will cost more . That alone will limit its widespread usage. On top of that, Russians said they will do a very limited production run on Su-57.
US is worry stealth plane at relatively LOW COST price and hence wide adoption.
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As others have pointed out, J-31/FC-31 was merely a demonstrator, and according to Western analysts a rather poor one at that.
"[speaking of FC-31] The MiG official may be correct. An aircraft of this type designed with Russian assistance would probably perform better.
The FC-31's flight routine shows that it "bleeds" too much energy -- so when it enters into a turn it begins to lose altitude. Even during straight and level flight the pilot has to engage the engine's afterburners in order to keep the aircraft from sinking to a lower altitude. These are defects in the aircraft's aerodynamic design that a Russian design team would not have made." Source:
Not surprising the prototype was sent back to the drawing board.
"[speaking of FC-31] The MiG official may be correct. An aircraft of this type designed with Russian assistance would probably perform better.
The FC-31's flight routine shows that it "bleeds" too much energy -- so when it enters into a turn it begins to lose altitude. Even during straight and level flight the pilot has to engage the engine's afterburners in order to keep the aircraft from sinking to a lower altitude. These are defects in the aircraft's aerodynamic design that a Russian design team would not have made." Source:
Not surprising the prototype was sent back to the drawing board.
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though just a Squadron could be very attractive for some Air Forces of the World, to be able to hit a neighbor undetected (LOL assuming such a capability wouldn't be just an item of sales talk, actually even then it might be useful, to start an arms race or something)
is an interesting idea of yours, but it's easier said than done I mean a mass-production of so called stealth aircraft
though just a Squadron could be very attractive for some Air Forces of the World, to be able to hit a neighbor undetected (LOL assuming such a capability wouldn't be just an item of sales talk, actually even then it might be useful, to start an arms race or something)
Are you talking about V1? V2 already looks very different aerodynamically than V1.
And now V3 is about to debut.
Actually there is/was a J-31, which after it was refined for an export version became the FC-31, which of late is now
Heh!, Heh!, Heh!, No, the US is not obsessed with the J-31, the US is pissed that the F-35 design was "stolen/hacked"! recognizing that the J-31 has "borrowed" a great many design elements from the F-22/F-35 is of interest to defense journo's/twitter crowd/internet fan boys primarily...
Now the J-20 on the other hand is a real aircraft, with a real factory, and approx 20 airworthy aircraft, many of those assigned to squadrons and flying missions, that's of at least passing interest to almost everybody.
So the J-20 is a factor, the J-31/FC-31,J-35?? not so much, could be in the future, but its not on any kind of viable trajectory at present, its two "proof of concept aircraft"
The Russian airplane salesman is just "bashing" the competition, the J-31 is a very fine little airplane that would be very superior to the Mig-29 aerodynamically if development/production ever does occur.
All aircraft "bleed energy" as you increase pitch, particularly in a high G turn. If significant additional power is NOT applied immediately prior to that "energy bleed" beginning, the aircraft will lose altitude.
"Full Burner" is typically selected prior to beginning a very tight high G turn, if sufficient power is not available? (the J-31/FC-31 use the Russian RD-33), then yes, you will lose altitude and "bleed energy" depending on how hard you pull..... simple physics my friend, and NO poor reflection on the J-31...
as to it requiring afterburner to maintain level flight, that's just Russian sales BS, serious BS, the J-31 flies very, very well, its a fine little airframe, and a beautiful design....
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