J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

han1289

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The addition of J-35 to STOBAR carriers will be transformative in terms of their power projection and air combat lethality. I think this is basic necessity unless seal clubbing weak nations. It's a bare minimum to keep up with US carriers already fielding 5th gen complements.

It also lessens the gap qualitatively (although not quantitatively) as there are only 4 USN carriers with 5th gen fighters.
 

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The addition of J-35 to STOBAR carriers will be transformative in terms of their power projection and air combat lethality. I think this is basic necessity unless seal clubbing weak nations. It's a bare minimum to keep up with US carriers already fielding 5th gen complements.
were there any technical reasons why j35s could, potentially, not be used on a STOBAR carrier?
it is smaller than j15s so deck ops wont be an issue
 

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According to Indian „analysts“ a fighter with S-duct could not take off via a ski jump that’s what their own cunclusion for a naval-AMCA was!
S duct does have implications for engine air supply. It could be the case, especially for specific design with specific engines.
 

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I know, but it is not a general "no go" criteria!
Did they say it's a general one?
Ultimately, they're guys with AMCA model in aerodynamic tunnel, not us. TEDBF decision always screamed AMCA is absolutely unsalvageable for deck use.
 
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Did they say it's a general one?
Ultimately, they're guys with AMCA model in aerodynamic tunnel, not us. TEDBF decision always screamed AMCA is absolutely unsalvageable for deck use.

This particular analyst said the j-35 was a no-go for stobar operation because of the use of s-duct. Oddly, the rafale that they been exploring for stobar operations since the 2010s also uses s-duct.
 

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According to Indian „analysts“ a fighter with S-duct could not take off via a ski jump that’s what their own cunclusion for a naval-AMCA was! ;)
Generally, does this have something to do with the relationship between engine length and intake positioning? I imagine if the intake is not much far forward of the engine's head, then the S-duct must take a much more orthogonal path which probably obstructs intake at low (and probably high as well) speeds.

Both J35 and J20 have the intakes pretty far forward of the engine. Maybe AMCA put the intakes very far back, or had a very long engine planned.
 

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Generally, does this have something to do with the relationship between engine length and intake positioning? I imagine if the intake is not much far forward of the engine's head, then the S-duct must take a much more orthogonal path which probably obstructs intake at low (and probably high as well) speeds.

Both J35 and J20 have the intakes pretty far forward of the engine. Maybe AMCA put the intakes very far back, or had a very long engine planned.
S ducts complicate airflow, which is a general problem if you have power problems (i remember reading that as 1 of arguments why Russia choose straight ducts on Su-57 - basically, 1st stage engine).

Since all Indian f404/414 aircraft are underpowered(or at least hardcapped by engine out of their control), this is an immediate and valid concern. This is the reason why Indians are so stuck on F404/414 in the first place, when sanity screams for other option for 2 decades - they need power, every bit of it. Others give you less power for a lot of your money.
 
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