J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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A.Man

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Guys I know this may sound very obvious right now to you guys but I am still confused about this : Is China gonna test flight a 3.5gen modified version of J-10 or a 4th stealth fighter like the f-22 in the time announced by the vice Air Force Commander??!

They are guessing, could go both ways. No one gives out any details. Fun Boys are speculating from nothing to everything. When the real things were leaked out, those folks gave their deductive reasoning and betted their useless Webname's heads: CG!

It starts over again!
 

pla101prc

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my bet is on a 4th gen approaching the ability of f-22. because PLA would not accept a 3.5gen, its just not good enough. only europe is going for 3.5 gen because they are jumping straight to UACV after this. meanwhile both China and Russia are gonna go for 4th gen.
 

Munir

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my bet is on a 4th gen approaching the ability of f-22. because PLA would not accept a 3.5gen, its just not good enough. only europe is going for 3.5 gen because they are jumping straight to UACV after this. meanwhile both China and Russia are gonna go for 4th gen.

Europe jumping straight to UCAV... Sounds like dumping the gun cause you have missiles... We all still see that gun, WVR and BVR are complementary. So you might have some UCAVS and UAV's but that does not mean that big numbers will be possible. And Mankind understands that a unwired link will become suspectible to misuse.... Sooner or later and you do not risk that during wartime.

If you did a research how much bandwith it costs to fly UAV's then you might understand that you cannot have that much assets. Even one PRedator in the air means atleast 2 flightcrews (2*3), 3 predators and one ground crew is active at that moment. Then we talk about a simple armed UAV.

So... You do not rely on one type of system. Never.
 

Maggern

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my bet is on a 4th gen approaching the ability of f-22. because PLA would not accept a 3.5gen, its just not good enough. only europe is going for 3.5 gen because they are jumping straight to UACV after this. meanwhile both China and Russia are gonna go for 4th gen.

Europe mostly goes for 3.5 because they simply don't have the resources to develop and equip a sizeable 4th gen plane. It's hard enough to fund the asymmetric wars, and it would surely be much much harder to secure funding to develop a new high-tech plane when there are no main adversaries and they can get a decent plane from the States or Eurofighter..
 

challenge

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according to Chinese source, J-10 cost around $40million (PAF press for discount price $25 million)this aircraft could cost near $100million!
 

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according to Chinese source, J-10 cost around $40million (PAF press for discount price $25 million)this aircraft could cost near $100million!

I can't believe you still post stuff like this. That article was basically dismissed as BS on Chinese forum. They have hundreds of articles like this on Chinese bbs on a weekly basis.
 

A.Man

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according to Chinese source, J-10 cost around $40million (PAF press for discount price $25 million)this aircraft could cost near $100million!

India is showing good faith to its old brother by selling LCA's to Pakistan for US$30 million a piece.

What would you make of it?
 

pla101prc

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Europe jumping straight to UCAV... Sounds like dumping the gun cause you have missiles... We all still see that gun, WVR and BVR are complementary. So you might have some UCAVS and UAV's but that does not mean that big numbers will be possible. And Mankind understands that a unwired link will become suspectible to misuse.... Sooner or later and you do not risk that during wartime.

If you did a research how much bandwith it costs to fly UAV's then you might understand that you cannot have that much assets. Even one PRedator in the air means atleast 2 flightcrews (2*3), 3 predators and one ground crew is active at that moment. Then we talk about a simple armed UAV.

So... You do not rely on one type of system. Never.

but it has to do with your strategic need. who is ever gonna wage a war on Europe? the 3.5 gen they have is good enough for self-defence for quite some time. UCAV can do a lot of missions that are considered too dangerous for manned fighters. China on the other hand cannot afford to divert their resources to build a new 3.5 gen, they gotta throw all their money into 4th gen, that's because they are facing f-22 and there is a possibility of conducting offensive air missions in the future.
 

sidewinder01

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but it has to do with your strategic need. who is ever gonna wage a war on Europe? the 3.5 gen they have is good enough for self-defence for quite some time. UCAV can do a lot of missions that are considered too dangerous for manned fighters. China on the other hand cannot afford to divert their resources to build a new 3.5 gen, they gotta throw all their money into 4th gen, that's because they are facing f-22 and there is a possibility of conducting offensive air missions in the future.

But I heard Chinese's standard of generations for fighters are different than that of the United States. Supposely a Western 3.5 is 4.0 in Chinese standard?? I am not sure about this at all, I just remmebering seeing something like this somewhere before
 

maozedong

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But I heard Chinese's standard of generations for fighters are different than that of the United States. Supposely a Western 3.5 is 4.0 in Chinese standard?? I am not sure about this at all, I just remmebering seeing something like this somewhere before

before Chinese standard of generation is same of the U.S -4th generation standar, I heard that the U. S just changed 4th generation standard to 5th generation standard.
I think Chinese 4th generation fighter design more easyer than the U.S, here is I read one section article below:
From the avionics equipment is, F-22 to battle deep into the Soviet Union, then could hardly be one's own early-warning information platform support, can only rely on one's own small formations of their own grasp of the air situation, so it made airborne reconnaissance system a very high demand. On the one hand by AN/ALQ-94 airborne electronic reconnaissance systems, and AN/APG-77 radar in the hidden state to collect information on the other hand, rely on multi-machine formation of information sharing to reduce their own blind spots, while simultaneously via satellite data link and the rear to keep communications. The capacity of the system are indeed very powerful, of course, technical difficulty and cost is also extremely exaggerated.
China's four-generation fighter as air defense fighters, because it is in their own areas controlled by the implementation of tasks, can be one's own ground-to-air search radar assistance, be able to get target information as soon as possible; even the implementation of the battlefield air superiority missions, in the enemy 200 1000 meters can also receive the support of early warning aircraft, so mastery of battlefield information Diying than the F-22 armed with better electronic information systems there will be no less high demand. Be able to keep up with the United States, the latest version of F-15's ability is not unacceptable.
but I still don't know what engine that China will used.
 
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