J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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Blitzo

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some Chinese site mentioned something about adjustable air-intake,which most ppl seemed to think is a bit too sci-fi lol. any comments from you experts on that?
Adjustable air intake? Sorry but aren't adjustable air intakes just variable air intakes?
 

King_Comm

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Adjustable air intake? Sorry but aren't adjustable air intakes just variable air intakes?
Apparently, it's the inlet itself that moves rather than a movable ramp in the inlet. Personally, I am skeptical, as it has never been mentioned in any of the publised material or implemented on any aircraft.
 

pla101prc

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Apparently, it's the inlet itself that moves rather than a movable ramp in the inlet. Personally, I am skeptical, as it has never been mentioned in any of the publised material or implemented on any aircraft.

that's y its called a new design. the rumour says that since China cant make an engine that can match the American ones, the only way they can match f-22 in terms of maneuverability is to work on the airframe,this was part of it.
 

latenlazy

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that's y its called a new design. the rumour says that since China cant make an engine that can match the American ones, the only way they can match f-22 in terms of maneuverability is to work on the airframe,this was part of it.

Doesn't make any sense. Putting in a mechanism like that would increase weight drastically compared to a DSI, which would hurt, not help.

On the other hand, they could be talking about a system like the A-12 series (like the SR-71s) where the intake moves in some way relative to the airspeed in order to increase efficiency, but it still sounds like fan boy nonsense, and I don't see why they'd need something like that for a fighter.
 

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lets see this video to listen PLA geneal Zhang Zhaozhong talk about the 4th generation fighters, he was confident that the Chinese had developed a new generation of fighters with the ability to, the maiden flight could be within 1-2 years there was another expert in the conversation. But they are all thought to have a very long test flight time,about how long the 4th generation fighters deploy the troops, that depends on the test flight circumstances.
 

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I guess interviewing an expert about China's 4th generation fighter jet.

First, the man basically that if the deputy commander said first flight is coming soon, it will probably happen in the next 1 or 2 years. Normally the time it takes to go from first flight to FOC is 10 years, because you have to go through a bunch of tests to reach the design specifications.

Another interview basically stated that you know people are surprised because the time frame gave by the deputy commander is much more ambitious than what would normally be expected (especially in the case of F-22, which took 10 years), whereas China is only taking 6 to 8 years, but seems like PLAAF is very confident with the progress.

The original interview said China has grown up and moved from copying Russians to developing its own jet in terms of J-10. J-10 took 20 years to be fully developed and operational. However, it only took FC-1 2 years to go from first flight to operational. I think this is over stating it a little bit since it's only talking about prototype 04 and I'd say it's more like 3 years and I'm not sure if it has achieved FOC for PAF yet.

After that, it sort of trailed off, so I stopped listening.
 

pla101prc

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i wouldnt bet on such a quick flight test. engine is still THE big issue. hopefully by the time flight tests have been completed the engine will also. if flight tests starts next year, i say 2020 is a reasonable time slot.
 

Londo Molari

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You do know that Tanvir Mahmood explicitly said in an interview with AFP (in 2008) that pakistan wants a western radar of its own choice on the FC-20? I am sure there is a way out or he wouldn't have said that.
That's a good point I did not know that. But PAF ACM said the same thing about JF-17, and we all know what radar its using.
 

AssassinsMace

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Well here's an "official" confirmation from the PLAAF on top of the official comment from General He Weirong. Posted on CDF blog.

空军有关部门负责人:“四代机”是指歼—10改进型系列飞机
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2009-11-23 15:48:26 来源:新华社



新华社北京11月23日电(记者孙茂庆)空军有关部门负责人23日表示,近期有关媒体报道的“四代机”是指歼—10改进型系列飞机。

对于作战飞机的划代表述,世界主要军事强国不尽一致。美国将突出中低空、亚跨音速机动性的F—15、F—16战斗机划分为三代机,将突出隐身、超音速巡航和超机动性能的F—22、F—35战斗机划分为四代机。而俄罗斯则将米格—29、苏—27/30战斗机划分为三代机,将苏—35等三代机改进型飞机划分为四代机,将具有隐身、超音速巡航和超机动性能的新一代战斗机划分为五代机。

这位负责人表示,我国作战飞机主要是在引进、仿制俄制装备的基础上进行的自主创新发展,媒体所说的“四代机”是指歼—10改进型系列飞机。(完)

Xinhua News Agency, Beijing, November 23 (Reporter Sun Maoqing) - Relevant responsible persons of the Air Force 23, said the recent media reports of "four generations of machine" refers to the improved F -10 series aircraft.

For the combat aircraft of the designated representatives of state, the world's major military powers are not consistent. The United States will be highlighted in the low-altitude, sub-transonic maneuverability of the F-15, F-16 fighters are divided into three generations of machines, will feature stealth, supersonic cruise and ultra-mobile performance F-22, F-35 fighter plane is divided into four generations of machines . Russia will be Mig -29, Su -27/30 divided into three generations of fighter aircraft, the Su -35 aircraft, such as an improved third-generation machine is divided into four generations of machines, will have a stealth, supersonic cruise, and a new generation of ultra-mobility fighter plane is divided into five generations.

The official said that China's combat aircraft primarily in the introduction, imitation on the basis of Russian-made equipment, the independent innovation and development, the media calls "four generations of machine" refers to an improved F -10 series aircraft. (End)
 
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