J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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Re: New Generation Fighter

Apology accepted. And I apologize if my response sounded condescending as well!



Well, I'll try not to repeat past annoynces, but I'm quite excited about this development and I do tend to analyze things based on my own perceptions. I'm sure you know the story of the blind men describing the elephant. None of their conclusions about the object were correct, but none of their descriptions were incorrect, nor were their conclusions achieved by baseless observations. In the same way that the J-20 has some -what some perceive as superficial- similarities to other aircraft, it does have some unique design elements. These are all very exciting to me.

Some folks like to be told what the world is, and how the world works, others like to try to figure it out. Deductive and inductive reasoning don't have to be mutually exclusive. Some think that they do. I've always preferred the analyses of those who are willing to connect the dots thay see, hear, smell, feel, taste, and intuit. To me it makes for better art, science, and sport.

Nevertheless, you could very well be correct. If my enthusiasm is really that annoying here, if I am detracting rather than contributing, then I might well be in the wrong forum.

In parting, I've always preferred discussion to debate. In debate, the objective is to win by persuasuion. In a discussion, the objective is to contribute to collective learning. Discussions aren't conducted as a zero sum games. Debates are. At least, that's the way I've experienced it.

Peace!!!

sounds like something i'd read out of my critical thinking philosophy textbook. it's a compliment.
 

Subedei

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No need for an indignant essay, an analysis of what the J-20 draws from the 1.42/44 and why would suffice.

Quite correct. After my last, I'm going to ignore the careless use of language that some have not yet learnd to edit from their criticisms.

Thanks!!!
 

Subedei

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I wonder if the lack of conformal shaping around the engines has more to do with the uncertainty of the final engine or a deficiency in their ability to calculate a more refined stealth shape, or if it is a deliberate attempt to reduce the RCS further.

I have similar questions. The discussion here, so far, has led me to accept that -sorry for the cliche- it is what it is. As a million pics, and certainly the PLAAF, will never reveal to us the whole set of data that our curiousities demand, maybe we should just look at the pics and learn what we can.

Anyone else here find it somewhat perverse that the only way we could ever know how good any of these things perform is for someone to die? Or, is it that they'll perform best if war can be discouraged and avoided?
 

MwRYum

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I wonder if the lack of conformal shaping around the engines has more to do with the uncertainty of the final engine or a deficiency in their ability to calculate a more refined stealth shape, or if it is a deliberate attempt to reduce the RCS further.

If they've already made room for the final engine then it matters little, what matters would be when it finally mate with the designated engine, the balance and so flight characteristics need to re-calibrated; but that can easily compensated with modifications with the FCS software - first fly with a conservative / theoretical / based-on-simulation set of data, then explore the true flight envelop.

In terms of the RCS or IR signature the exhaust would result more variations between engine models, I believe.
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Geographer

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Has anyone tried to get the exif data on the raw pictures? Maybe see when and where it was taken?
 

ztz99g

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A few thoughts:

The aileron actuator fairing/bulb things concern me in that they do not look like they are being blended into the undersides of the wings. This could affect RCS. They are also huge compared to the ones on the F-22. Does this indicate issues with miniaturizing?

People on this site were also talking about creeping radar waves increasing RCS on aircraft that do not have horizontal stabilizers (or in this case canards) that are not on the same plane, as viewed by an emitting enemy radar. This plane's canards are obviously NOT on the same plane. Does this mean the aircraft designers aren't as smart as the people here? Or that the theory of creeping radar waves increasing RCS is full of crap? Hmmm.

Finally, the image of the JXX on the left screen in the cockpit photo seems to indicate the ability to install 2 external hardpoints on each wing and 6 distinct undercarriage positions for missiles (perhaps 4 MRAAM's and 2 SRAAM's).
 

rhino123

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I wonder if the lack of conformal shaping around the engines has more to do with the uncertainty of the final engine or a deficiency in their ability to calculate a more refined stealth shape, or if it is a deliberate attempt to reduce the RCS further.

I would think that it is mainly because that the Chinese had not yet finalise which engines to use or that the final engine's developement had not been completed thus there is not much point ion designing the conformal shaping because the final shape of the engine had not been selected or completed yet.

Just my two cents.
 
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