J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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Deino said:

Sorry guys .. but could we please go back to the topic !??

It's a bit annoying to receive a messege of a "new reply" ... only to read something about the Netherlands, their JSF-involvement and so on.

Thanks, Deino

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Ok, back on topic. here's a question that never really got answewred yesterday before it got side tracked.

at the top of huitong's page for modern fighter aircraft there's this little blurb:

'It was rumored (November 2010) that SAC is developing a 3.5th generation heavy multi-role fighter (J-16?) with a conventional layout but this has not been confirmed.'

Does anybody actually have any information or rumours on any new Shenyang plans or anything?

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Check on page #72 of this thread Semi-Lobster, I believe that I also asked that question about the Shenyang 3.5th generation heavy multirole fighter that has been rumored that SAC 601 is working on - and also about the "J-16"

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Spoiler56 said:

Check on page #72 of this thread Semi-Lobster, I believe that I also asked that question about the Shenyang 3.5th generation heavy multirole fighter that has been rumored that SAC 601 is working on - and also about the "J-16"

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there wasn't anything constructive though, there was just challenge being.... challenging.

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Well, does anyone else here know what the term "Sin-91" is?

Its just that I have never heard the term used before in any context except when used by Challenge on page 72. Any answer will be most appreciated by me - in advance - thanks

Re: New Generation Fighter

Semi-Lobster said:

Ok, back on topic. here's a question that never really got answewred yesterday before it got side tracked.

at the top of huitong's page for modern fighter aircraft there's this little blurb:

'It was rumored (November 2010) that SAC is developing a 3.5th generation heavy multi-role fighter (J-16?) with a conventional layout but this has not been confirmed.'

Does anybody actually have any information or rumours on any new Shenyang plans or anything?

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Huitong says in his J-11B section "The latest rumor (August 2010) claimed that SAC is also working on an upgraded version (J-16?) similar to American F-15S Slient Eagle featuring internal weapon carriage, stealth optimized engine intakes and vertical tailfins to reduce RCS"

So (surprise, surprise) SAC is basing a fighter off the flanker... again. But I suppose by that point it can be considered a whole new plane, and if it can get to F-15SE RCS standard then it could well be a supplement to the J-XX or maybe for export?

But it's a rumor anyway -- remember when huitong said the J-15 was a new stealthy design but turned out it was a follow on to the Su-33 clone.

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Bltizo said:

Huitong says in his J-11B section "The latest rumor (August 2010) claimed that SAC is also working on an upgraded version (J-16?) similar to American F-15S Slient Eagle featuring internal weapon carriage, stealth optimized engine intakes and vertical tailfins to reduce RCS"

So (surprise, surprise) SAC is basing a fighter off the flanker... again. But I suppose by that point it can be considered a whole new plane, and if it can get to F-15SE RCS standard then it could well be a supplement to the J-XX or maybe for export?

But it's a rumor anyway -- remember when huitong said the J-15 was a new stealthy design but turned out it was a follow on to the Su-33 clone.

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Now that I think about it 'conventional layout' probably means 'existing layout' especially if we're considering Shenyang

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Bltizo said:

But it's a rumor anyway -- remember when huitong said the J-15 was a new stealthy design but turned out it was a follow on to the Su-33 clone.

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But the fact that he made that mistake only leads me to believe that the J-16 does exist. He wrote that SAC submitted a design in competition with CAC, but SAC lost the competition for the J-XX. Instead, they modified the design, simplified it a bit, and decided to build a 4++ naval fighter out of it. That same design can serve in the air force, therefore, the aircraft that huitong mistakenly thought was the J-15 actually is the J-16, a stealthy flanker to serve as China's F-18 E/F competitor and to serve as a stopgap between the J-11B and the J-20.

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I concur with Centrist - the J-16 is that aircraft - a stealthy variant of the Flanker. Some rumors have even dubbed it the "Silent Flanker"

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Sorry guys ... but these are all BS rumours !

IMO there's only one 5. generation type under development - the so called XXJ, JXX or maybe now J-20.

Maybe SAC and also CAC have their own projects / studies in parallel for a lighter - maybe J-10 successor - but surely not with the same status. Maybe there's also one at work on XAC to replace the JH-7/A ...

Everything else like these J-13, J-14 and now J-16 aka "Silent Flanker" are based on overoptimistic hyper-enthusiastic fan-boy's-rumours or some PSed pictures + CG's.

I would say let us be realistic, ... let us sit down take a cup of tee ... and wait.

Deino

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Of course they are rumors Dieno; and Huitong mentioned a "3.5th" generation aircraft, and not a 5th generation type. I take most rumors with a lot of salt and I always have a 'wait - and - see - policy' too. But sometimes rumors - even BS ones - have a tendency to be true - well maybe only sometimes. ;-)