J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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like I said I think it's only a matter of time before the technical aspect of it is worked out. Perhaps a camera system on a UAV designed specifically for dogfigting not unlike the combination of Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS) and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) that we see in many of today's fighters and attack coppers. Something of similar nature. With ever incresing processing power of microchips today it is definitely doable in the forseeable future for UCAV to dogfight.
I would even go as far as to say some day UAVs will also be totally independent of human controllers and will fight it out themselves. In some ways that is even easier technically because then you don;t have to worry about any camera/vidual systems for the human controller.

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like I said I think it's only a matter of time before the technical aspect of it is worked out. Perhaps a camera system on a UAV designed specifically for dogfigting not unlike the combination of Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS) and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) that we see in many of today's fighters and attack coppers but modified for remote operations. Something of similar nature. With ever incresing processing power of microchips today it is definitely doable in the forseeable future for UCAV to dogfight.
I would even go as far as to say some day UAVs will also be totally independent of human controllers and will fight it out themselves once a matrix or tactical program is loaded into it's memory. In some ways that is even easier technically because then you don;t have to worry about any camera/vidual systems for the human controller.
 
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kwaigonegin said:
like I said I think it's only a matter of time before the technical aspect of it is worked out. Perhaps a camera system on a UAV designed specifically for dogfigting not unlike the combination of Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS) and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) that we see in many of today's fighters and attack coppers. Something of similar nature. With ever incresing processing power of microchips today it is definitely doable in the forseeable future for UCAV to dogfight.
I would even go as far as to say some day UAVs will also be totally independent of human controllers and will fight it out themselves. In some ways that is even easier technically because then you don;t have to worry about any camera/vidual systems for the human controller.

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like I said I think it's only a matter of time before the technical aspect of it is worked out. Perhaps a camera system on a UAV designed specifically for dogfigting not unlike the combination of Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS) and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) that we see in many of today's fighters and attack coppers but modified for remote operations. Something of similar nature. With ever incresing processing power of microchips today it is definitely doable in the forseeable future for UCAV to dogfight.
I would even go as far as to say some day UAVs will also be totally independent of human controllers and will fight it out themselves once a matrix or tactical program is loaded into it's memory. In some ways that is even easier technically because then you don;t have to worry about any camera/vidual systems for the human controller.
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Definitely not now. Maybe 30yrs later?
 
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True, but I would rather be the pilot in the cockpit during the dog fight because you have constant eyes on the sky and judgement to make decisions a lot quicker.

Plus if I where a true fighter pilot in that cockpit, there is no way...in God's green earth and blue sky will I let a video game playing UCAV ground controller beat me in a dog fight.:p
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Eh... I meant to say in a simulation type of control interface, by which you probably would forget that you were not actually onboard the fighter. On the other hand, knowing that you won't suffer a physical death even after being shot by the enemy would be nice, wouldn't it?
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Air Force Brat

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Player99 said:
Eh... I meant to say in a simulation type of control interface, by which you probably would forget that you were not actually onboard the fighter. On the other hand, knowing that you won't suffer a physical death even after being shot by the enemy would be nice, wouldn't it?
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Well IMHO, that pilot in the cockpit keeps us all safe, with the jamming and corruption that are possible with an e-system, this safety net is something that a thinking man won't abandon to an uncaring machine, and why would we. Flying a fighter aircraft is an honor and a priveledge that comes with a high price tag, yes you might pay the price, but if we turn loose killing machines to do our bloody business for us, that scares me to death. So lets keep the man in the equation, he brings a lot more to the conflict in spite of the risque to himself, he is able to protect the innocent and say no to the unreasonable. In my experience honor is important in the Asian culture as well as Western culture, the integrity to do the right thing in a honorable manner, warriors for good go out to protect the innocent, thats what separates man from the animals, so warfare is a necessary, but undesirable business for brave valiant men, lets not let chivalry die for expediency!
 
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Air Force Brat said:
Well IMHO, that pilot in the cockpit keeps us all safe, with the jamming and corruption that are possible with an e-system, this safety net is something that a thinking man won't abandon to an uncaring machine, and why would we. Flying a fighter aircraft is an honor and a priveledge that comes with a high price tag, yes you might pay the price, but if we turn loose killing machines to do our bloody business for us, that scares me to death. So lets keep the man in the equation, he brings a lot more to the conflict in spite of the risque to himself, he is able to protect the innocent and say no to the unreasonable. In my experience honor is important in the Asian culture as well as Western culture, the integrity to do the right thing in a honorable manner, warriors for good go out to protect the innocent, thats what separates man from the animals, so warfare is a necessary, but undesirable business for brave valiant men, lets not let chivalry die for expediency!
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Well, Brat, the man is still in the picture and in control. He is just not in the same place to control. And this type of control is, after all, a lot closer to tradition than sending mid to long range missiles to do the killing.

However one kills, it's still killing. For the sake of karma, probably the more the wars are like games (meaning no face to face slaughter), the better... until some day human kind elevates itself to a noble hight where wars are only in history books...

When it comes to war among states or nations, the common man has always been cannon fodder, whatever pretexts the wars are under or however the fighting man is lablled (patriots or terrorists).

Animals are actually nobler than us human species if you think about it: They don't kill for some leaders' ambition, they don't kill for politics, they don't kill for religions, they don't kill more than necessary for their immediate survival...
 
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Air Force Brat

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Player99 said:
Well, Brat, the man is still in the picture and in control. He is just not in the same place to control. And this type of control is, after all, a lot closer to tradition than sending mid to long range missiles to do the killing.

However one kills, it's still killing. For the sake of karma, probably the more the wars are like games (meaning no face to face slaughter), the better... until some day human kind elevates itself to a noble hight where wars are only in history books...

When it comes to war among states or nations, the common man has always been cannon fodder, whatever pretexts the wars are under or however the fighting man is lablled (patriots or terrorists).

Animals are actually nobler than us human species if you think about it: They don't kill for some leaders' ambition, they don't kill for politics, they don't kill for religions, they don't kill more than necessary for their immediate survival...
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Now player lets not sell ourselves short, you sound like national geographics brother, yes animals do kill for sport, they do eat those nobles who go out to tell their story, and they do so with no remorse, not sure dogs are man's best friend, my Lab just liked digging holes in the yard which I had to fill.LOL I know you're bright enough to get my point. Think about it, I have to go to the dentist so pray for me brother! Anyway, my point is the man/machine union is a gorgeous thing, don't mess it up and leave it to some egg head, in a room somewhere, and remember, all machines allways break sometime. Maggarts law!
 
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Player99

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Hehe... Brat, I was just messing around and playing philosopher. I'm seriously considering my next life (transmigration) to start in the 24th century though to see if I can join the Star Trek crew.

P.S. Brat, you do understand that outside of this illusion that we call reality, time doens't exist, don't you? That's why we can choose to be born any where and any time of history or even of no history. :p
 
Air Force Brat

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Player99 said:
Hehe... Brat, I was just messing around and playing philosopher. I'm seriously considering my next life (transmigration) to start in the 24th century though to see if I can join the Star Trek crew.

P.S. Brat, you do understand that outside of this illusion that we call reality, time doens't exist, don't you? That's why we can choose to be born any where and any time of history or even of no history. :p
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Hey thats cool, I'm one of those Jesus people, I like the idea that God is my creator, and and has his hand on this life, and the life to come. I do not remember making a decision to come to this time or place, it all seems pretty real to me brother, which reminds me of another little saying, "its been real, and its been fun, but not real fun!" Just finished a 15 mile ride on the old Cannondale, its nice but windy, going out was good and fast, coming back into the headwind, not so much. I'm glad to have a friend and a brother here on Sino D, we don't always agree, but I know you're always about the truth and doing the right thing. I have several good friends on here, and I think most of us on this thread probably love airplanes and flying, and I see our defense toys kind of like the old Colt Peacemaker, I believe it was Disraeli the philosopher who stated, "an armed society, is a polite society!" A little mutual respect and admiration are the best things for a true friendship, and I guess if we get to the bottom of things, We all hope there is some Honor among theives. So being a pilot, and being an Air Force Brat, I know I'm spoiled, I certainly don't feel I'm more deserving than my brothers on this forum, but I do read your posts and I do respect your opinions, and I try to listen and learn, best wishes to you all as its spring in the Northern Hemisphere! Now if we could all just go flying, we'd have it made.
 
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well it would certainly be high time that happened. I have a feeling other similar planes f22, f35, pakfa had their second prototype flying earlier than j20 programme...
 
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