J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

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Red Moon

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Could the revealing of J-20 on Gates' visit to china a subtle attempt to isolate Gates from the other political powers of the US and causing a political fault line to develop - making it harder for him to push further cuts and moderation, and undermine confidence in his assessment and contribution to china policy in the US?

Could be, but this would happen regardless of the exact date.

Thats a possibility, but Im under the impression that Gates was going to retire soon
Still, Gates basically represents a school of thought on this stuff. In fact without Gates, there is even more pressure on Obama, since Gates, after all, was inherited from the Bush government.
 
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Centrist

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Could the revealing of J-20 on Gates' visit to china a subtle attempt to isolate Gates from the other political powers of the US and causing a political fault line to develop - making it harder for him to push further cuts and moderation, and undermine confidence in his assessment and contribution to china policy in the US?

Doubtful. Theories such as this assume an extraordinary level of co-operation and collusion amongst a vast Chinese bureaucracy. There are so many departments and people involved, the idea that "they did this to get X effect" is silly. It is all in the minds of the people on the other side, particularly among the paranoid.
 

Red Moon

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Doubtful. Theories such as this assume an extraordinary level of co-operation and collusion amongst a vast Chinese bureaucracy. There are so many departments and people involved, the idea that "they did this to get X effect" is silly. It is all in the minds of the people on the other side, particularly among the paranoid.

You're confusing "revealing" with testing. Of course, it was tested when it was ready for testing! But the "strip tease" we witnessed was a distinct choice that obviously has political reasons behind it, and the only "bureaucracy" that needs to me coordinated is the people in charge of the various military forums where we get our pictures.
 

windracer

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Could be, but this would happen regardless of the exact date.


Still, Gates basically represents a school of thought on this stuff. In fact without Gates, there is even more pressure on Obama, since Gates, after all, was inherited from the Bush government.

I have been wondering(it maybe a stupid question), is it true that Gates has no military background, or he never serve in the army before?
 

bd popeye

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I have been wondering(it maybe a stupid question), is it true that Gates has no military background, or he never serve in the army before?

Mr Gates never served in the US Army. He did serve with the US Air Force and CIA.

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Dr. Robert M. Gates was sworn in on December 18, 2006, as the 22nd Secretary of Defense. Dr. Gates is the only Secretary of Defense in U.S. history to be asked to remain in that office by a newly elected President. President Barack Obama is the eighth president Dr. Gates has served.

Before entering his present post, Dr. Gates was the President of Texas A&M University, the nation's seventh largest university. Prior to assuming the Texas A&M presidency, on August 1, 2002, he served as Interim Dean of the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M from 1999 to 2001.

Secretary Gates joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1966 and spent nearly 27 years as an intelligence professional. During that period, he spent nearly nine years at the National Security Council, The White House, serving four presidents of both political parties.

Dr. Gates served as Director of Central Intelligence from 1991 until 1993. He is the only career officer in CIA's history to rise from entry-level employee to Director. He served as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence from 1986 until 1989 and as Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser at the White House from January 20, 1989, until November 6, 1991, for President George H.W. Bush.

Secretary Gates has been awarded the National Security Medal, the Presidential Citizens Medal, has twice received the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, and has three times received CIA's highest award, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal.

He is the author of the memoir, From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insiders Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War, published in 1996.

Until becoming Secretary of Defense, Dr. Gates served as Chairman of the Independent Trustees of The Fidelity Funds, the nation's largest mutual fund company, and on the board of directors of NACCO Industries, Inc., Brinker International, Inc. and Parker Drilling Company, Inc.

Dr. Gates has also served on the Board of Directors and Executive Committee of the American Council on Education, the Board of Directors of the National Association of State Universities and Land-Grant Colleges, and the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America. He has also been President of the National Eagle Scout Association.

A native of Kansas, Secretary Gates received his bachelor's degree from the College of William and Mary, his master's degree in history from Indiana University, and his doctorate in Russian and Soviet history from Georgetown University.

In 1967 he was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and served as an intelligence officer at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri.
 

cn_habs

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A lot of people on MP.net believes in this news.

Many of them are a bunch of vulgar low-class hawkish posters on there and the mods ban everyone that disagrees with them.

The T-50 has direct air intake where you can see the huge blades of the 117s directly from the front whereas the F-22 and J-20 have serpentine style intake to reduce RCS. That 2-piece canopy is not stealthier than the one-piece design either. If they want to cherish a stealthy fighter based on a Flanker design it's cool with me. As soon as the Chinese can produce a reliable high-thrust TVC engine, I don't see how the T-50 is better than the J-20.
 
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