No, not that one.
The above one is rumored FC-1 upgrade.
It's this one
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J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
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No, not that one.
The above one is rumored FC-1 upgrade.
It's this one
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Not quite sure about the figures elaborated, yet your points are very impressive. I think the same situation can applied to ASBM vs. CVBG tactics.
What if it's upgraded flankers which fire at the F-15s instead, directed in by AWACS? And the opening of the weapon bays should only be for a split second -- I'm not sure if that's enough to get a radar lock. (And why won't J-20 be able to break missile lock while the F-22 can -- espicially if it's a SRAAM; both AIM-9X and the PL-10 have strong IRCCM
Hmm do the US have a dedicated AWACS killer missile? Or are you talking about F-22s going up close to take them out -- in which case I say the organic sam coverage will be necessary. Maybe fighter escort too.
Well F-22s won't need to escape WVR screens because they're firing BVR missiles...
The reverse can be said for the F-22/F-15 combo -- J-20s and J-11Bs BVR the F-15s while the F-22s and J-20s engage in WVR combat, and the F-22 won't be able to just shoot and scoot because it's all aspect stealth still won't be capable of hiding it's significant IR signature (even with IR LO-ing)
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there had always been rumors(and probably not a surprise if china has such a project a long time) of antistealth technology. no one can ever really know if those are just gossips about its progress status(some claimed it's readied), but we can be sure china's been developing one since the time they knew of the american stealth fighters. (since you can't count on one approach and not look into other ways to combat the same thing, as there are always odds the first project will fail), so it won't be surprising if china comes up with an anti-stealth tech before the americans do.
By the time J-20 is combat ready I imagine missiles like PL-12D and PL-21 should be well and ready too, which shouldn't have too much a range disprecancy between the latest AMRAAMs.
@Maggern: I agree with point 1, but i think you're somewhat off with point 2. Don't think about this legalistically. What you suggest may cause even bigger disruption. The thread, anyway, was not closed because of this particular "stealing" comment, though in fact, I don't remember... it was too many pages back. You see, for example, IronsightSniper's comment caused pages of discussion that was a) not related to the J-20, and b) at least partially a repeat of stuff that has been discussed many times before. You advocate others doing this in an "American" thread? I agree that people should watch their language, but in fact "anti-american" opinions, at least on this thread, seem to cause relatively little disruption to the discussion.
I am not advocating that we allow 'country-bashing', but I think whatever "liberality" is applied in this should go in the opposite direction that you advocate.
I'm all for stating the weaknesses of a platform, but this aviation week article is just sooo... desperate.
I don't think anti stealth technology is like a magic platform, it's just an incremental improvement over current systems. the aviation week article Kyli posted mentions L band AESA radar as being good at long range against stealthy targets. I believe carlo kopp says something similar in one of his articles about J-20.
KJ-2000 and KJ-200 are both supposedly L band and the PLAAF will only be getting more of them so I think they're well on their way -- counter stealth is something the PLAAF would've invested a substantial amount of money in.
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J-20 will accelerate China's anti-stealth technology
I remember that a group of European researchers had wanted to test their anti-stealth technology on an airfield at an European air show, where a B-2 Spirit was scheduled to attend and come in for a landing. After hearing about the news, the American military canceled the participation of the B-2 at the air show.
The implication is that it is difficult to make progress in anti-stealth technology if you don't have a real-world stealth aircraft to test your theories. Now that China has a flying stealth fighter, Chinese scientists can probe it for its weaknesses. The knowledge that is gained in detecting the J-20 will be applicable to the F-22 Raptor.
I remember that a group of European researchers had wanted to test their anti-stealth technology on an airfield at an European air show, where a B-2 Spirit was scheduled to attend and come in for a landing. After hearing about the news, the American military canceled the participation of the B-2 at the air show.
The implication is that it is difficult to make progress in anti-stealth technology if you don't have a real-world stealth aircraft to test your theories. Now that China has a flying stealth fighter, Chinese scientists can probe it for its weaknesses. The knowledge that is gained in detecting the J-20 will be applicable to the F-22 Raptor.
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Re: China's J-20 stealth fighter signifies war of attrition
Just one thing, Martian, before you go on. The wall behind the canopy is also "gold tinted". Do we have a picture of this where the background is not yellow?
Just one thing, Martian, before you go on. The wall behind the canopy is also "gold tinted". Do we have a picture of this where the background is not yellow?
Re: J-20 will accelerate China's anti-stealth technology
I can't say I agree with that -- the US didn't want the B-2 to attend simply because they didn't want to potentially leak sensitive RCS data.
The weaknesses they find in the J-20 may be very different to the ones in the F-22 -- I think the safest and route most taken to anti stealth at the moment is just being able to detect small RCS targets, with higher resolution radars (again, I'm out of my depth here a little) -- so I you don't realy need your own stealth platform to make anti stealth. I assume you'd only need to know the principles.
The Russians have been fielding some levels of anti stealth technology since the Cold War, and China has as well, and both only recently flew their stealth fighters.
I remain convinced that anti stealth is not going to be a single leap, but rather an incremental evolution of current systems from radar to long ranged EO systems. We know china's invested quite a bit in the former, but the latter has yet to yield results. the IRSTs on J-11B and J-10B, as well as the diamonds on the side of the J-20s nose are encouraging, however.
I can't say I agree with that -- the US didn't want the B-2 to attend simply because they didn't want to potentially leak sensitive RCS data.
The weaknesses they find in the J-20 may be very different to the ones in the F-22 -- I think the safest and route most taken to anti stealth at the moment is just being able to detect small RCS targets, with higher resolution radars (again, I'm out of my depth here a little) -- so I you don't realy need your own stealth platform to make anti stealth. I assume you'd only need to know the principles.
The Russians have been fielding some levels of anti stealth technology since the Cold War, and China has as well, and both only recently flew their stealth fighters.
I remain convinced that anti stealth is not going to be a single leap, but rather an incremental evolution of current systems from radar to long ranged EO systems. We know china's invested quite a bit in the former, but the latter has yet to yield results. the IRSTs on J-11B and J-10B, as well as the diamonds on the side of the J-20s nose are encouraging, however.
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