J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

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Finn McCool

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Hahaha ohhh wow. Just a few minutes ago I was at this talk featuring, among others, a guy who is formerly high ranking CIA analyst who now teaches at a think tank. Former National Intelligence Officer for Europe. He hasn't been away from the CIA for long. I heard him saying, after the talk in conversation, a few comments about the J-20. They sounded a bit "off" to me because I've been following this thread. He said IIRC "It's not sure if it's stealthy or not" and "One prototype is very different from having lots of them" and "It might be a fighter or a fighter bomber".

So congratulations SDF we probably know more about the J-20 program than the CIA does.
 
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tanlixiang28776

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Hahaha ohhh wow. Just a few minutes ago I was at this talk featuring, among others, a guy who is formerly high ranking CIA analyst who now teaches at a think tank. Former National Intelligence Officer for Europe. He hasn't been away from the CIA for long. I heard him saying, after the talk in conversation, a few comments about the J-20. They sounded a bit "off" to me because I've been following this thread. He said IIRC "It's not sure if it's stealthy or not" and "One prototype is very different from having lots of them" and "It might be a fighter or a fighter bomber".

So congratulations SDF we probably know more about the J-20 program than the CIA does.

Surely even they know you can't switch out engines like batteries right?

If the CIA is that dumb then its icing on the cake isn't it?
 

Blitzo

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Hahaha ohhh wow. Just a few minutes ago I was at this talk featuring, among others, a guy who is formerly high ranking CIA analyst who now teaches at a think tank. Former National Intelligence Officer for Europe. He hasn't been away from the CIA for long. I heard him saying, after the talk in conversation, a few comments about the J-20. They sounded a bit "off" to me because I've been following this thread. He said IIRC "It's not sure if it's stealthy or not" and "One prototype is very different from having lots of them" and "It might be a fighter or a fighter bomber".

So congratulations SDF we probably know more about the J-20 program than the CIA does.

Heh, I wouldn't be surprised if they had someone monitoring this forum to be honest... But I think prejudice plays a bigger part in the assessment of the J-20 (among other weapon systems) and it isn't necessarily bad "spying". :p
 

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Hahaha ohhh wow. Just a few minutes ago I was at this talk featuring, among others, a guy who is formerly high ranking CIA analyst who now teaches at a think tank. Former National Intelligence Officer for Europe. He hasn't been away from the CIA for long. I heard him saying, after the talk in conversation, a few comments about the J-20. They sounded a bit "off" to me because I've been following this thread. He said IIRC "It's not sure if it's stealthy or not" and "One prototype is very different from having lots of them" and "It might be a fighter or a fighter bomber".

So congratulations SDF we probably know more about the J-20 program than the CIA does.

CIA also thought that the MIG-25 was a super fighter until Belenko defected. I wouldn't be surprise if Chinese military fans (cream of the top of course) have a better knowledge of Chinese military equipments than Western Defence analysts.
 

siegecrossbow

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Heh, I wouldn't be surprised if they had someone monitoring this forum to be honest... But I think prejudice plays a bigger part in the assessment of the J-20 (among other weapon systems) and it isn't necessarily bad "spying". :p

Probably just an "Asian thing". The Japanese were thought to be only capable of producing wooden prop-planes until WWII broke out.
 

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Probably just an "Asian thing". The Japanese were thought to be only capable of producing wooden prop-planes until WWII broke out.

Yes that could very well be a factor. It's interesting how some older prejudices and preconceptions can effect such important decisions in the modern day.
 

tanlixiang28776

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Yes that could very well be a factor. It's interesting how some older prejudices and preconceptions can effect such important decisions in the modern day.

Let them keep their foolish prejudices. I welcome it. The more complacent they are the more powerful we will be
 

siegecrossbow

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Lol down the lower right corner is what looks like the Hyūga class helicopter destroyer of the JMSDF and Kongou class destroyer at the botton centre. Some kind of anti-Japanese sentiment there.

I am surprised that it even made it past the censors. Contrary to popular beliefs the Chinese government is actually extremely careful about "nationalistic chest thumping".
 

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It is funny to see people's self-serving bias at work. The plane isn't called J-20 for no reason. If it were a fighter bomber, it would have been called JH-20. Plus, with F-22 being the most challenging problem to PLAAF, it doesn't make sense for China not to build an aircraft that would address this problem once and for all. This, and the fact that China has no history of building new dedicated test-demonstrator means J-20 is very much a fighter prototype, period.

All those arguments about J-20 being a bomber, test-demonstrator, etc. are actually non arguments intend to side-step and avoid discussing J-20 potential capabilities. Implicitly claiming that J-20's mission profile does not intend the aircraft to be maneuverable or attack targets in the sky is just so much easier than admitting that the F-22's invicibility myth will soon be busted.

Oh, and the canards? They play a critical role in the aerodynamics properties of the aircraft, and as such, their design have been frozen years ago along with the shape of the rest of the aircraft. The fact that Chengdu sticks with canards show that canards aren't detrimental to stealth as myths potrait to be. Don't let them stop you from fapping at the idea that the canards will somehow be modified away though. Just be aware that engineering principles say the canards are staying and will not receive design changes.
 
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