J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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They may be using engines as rudders. Especially during landing when speed is low and forces created by rudder are fairly low so they may benefit from extra control authority created by engine steering.
the landing is very demanding as yaw control must be precise so the plane can touch down perfectly straight on the runway if possible.

NO!, sorry but NO, the J-20 has outstanding yaw control, with the addition of the ventral fins on both sides, under the ruddervators, the J-20 with the all flying ruddervators, gives outstanding directional control even post stall! Multi engine aircraft NEVER use large power differential for directional control... if you are flying an older recipe you do set power and then props to sync the props. If you've ever heard a multi-engine aircraft singing an odd vibrato, the props were out of sync... there is a small gauge on the panel that shows you when the props are out of sync, as you bring them into sync that gauge pulls itself together in the center showing that you have successfully synced your props.

On a light twin you typically bring in full throttle and props all the way forward to fine pitch for maximum power, as it rolls down the runway, you will hear that little vibrato working back and forth, you typically select gear up once you establish a positive rate of climb, and then, and only then will you pull the throttles back to climb setting and sync the props with the propeller controls.

The DC-10 crash at Sioux City, Iowa, was one of the few instances ever where differential power from the two remaining underwing engines was ever used for aircraft control, the other would the be the early B-52 that lost most of its vertical stabilizer and rudder due to severe turbulence.... both of those aircraft are miracles, and testament to the outstanding airmanship of "supermen"!
 

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Not to mention there isn't that much yaw from asymmetric thrust in such closely spaced engines as this.

Most likely training engine-out landings (or, on the ground, using only one throttle to modulate taxi speed because residual thrust at idle is already a large fraction of the power required to keep the aircraft rolling).

I think you'd be very surprised how much yaw there would be if you lost an engine on take-off? At low speeds and higher power settings it would definitely get your attention, as you gained speed and pulled the throttle on the good engine back, its easily trimmed out. While the J-20 isn't exactly centerline thrust, it is much better than the F-14, which could be a nightmare in the right situation, we should all watch "Top Gun" one more time, as well "Top Gun 2, Maverick" has been rolled back to December.....:confused:
 

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I think you'd be very surprised how much yaw there would be if you lost an engine on take-off?
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But: German military pilots from F-4, Tornado and Eurofighter had to make up for civil multiengine rating if they wanted to continue flying as a commercial pilot after leaving service. Because of the two closely spaced engines, they were not expected to be familiar with asymmetrical thrust. These were my favorite students from whom I could still learn as an instructor.
 

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I think you'd be very surprised how much yaw there would be if you lost an engine on take-off? At low speeds and higher power settings it would definitely get your attention, as you gained speed and pulled the throttle on the good engine back, its easily trimmed out. While the J-20 isn't exactly centerline thrust, it is much better than the F-14, which could be a nightmare in the right situation, we should all watch "Top Gun" one more time, as well "Top Gun 2, Maverick" has been rolled back to December.....:confused:

It'll definitely make the handling interesting, which is why such events have to be trained for. However it's far too sluggish and imprecise to use for deliberate yaw control outside extreme emergencies, as you said.
 

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But: German military pilots from F-4, Tornado and Eurofighter had to make up for civil multiengine rating if they wanted to continue flying as a commercial pilot after leaving service. Because of the two closely spaced engines, they were not expected to be familiar with asymmetrical thrust. These were my favorite students from whom I could still learn as an instructor.

No doubt those aircraft are much easier to manage with the engines mounted near the centerline of the aircraft, my only real multi time was in the right seat of a Mitsubishi Mu-2 Marquise. An airplane which has a similar reputation to the F-104, with full span, very large Fowler flaps, roll control was rather poorly managed by spoilers atop the aft outboard wing section...

At low speeds in a high crosswind, the whole aircraft would "lean towards fishers", as there simply was not enough roll authority to push the wing down into the wind. We would rotate at 105 knots with 20 degrees of flap on take-off, we would always be at gross weight coming of out Midway in Chicago.. my friend with whom I flew, died on November 16th, 1988 at Midway. The accident aircraft was MU-2 N271MA, you can read all about it. It was very cool, and very fast, and very, very, unforgiving....
 

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J-20 elephant walk from a military magazine in China.

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Yes, I prefer all the primer birds! ( maybe I don't like grey), yuck, there are much better colors for aircraft.... my favorite fighter paint was probably the Navy all over white with orange tips and stripes for visibility and to recover aircrew...
 
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