J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI


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ougoah

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Not just that. But remember the whole Su-35SK was bought to get Saturn 117S for the J-20 hypothesis.

Yes the J-20 is very underpowered compared to F119 powered F-22 but the WS-10B gives the J-20 full independence and security. That is overall great news for such a critical platform.
With current materials technology, turbofans have more or less reached maximum performance for weight, fuel and thermodynamic efficiency, in engines like F135 etc. I'm glad China is investing heavily in and copying (when it can) materials and turbofan technology, but I also hope they're researching alternatives. Hypersonic vehicles and latest ramjet missile tests have been successful in the past so maybe there will be better aero engines in the future. Hopefully China will not be lagging decades when they do come out. Turbofans like WS15 in a flagship conventional warfare fighter like J-20 are always a morale boost and source of pride, but these days i'm sure China capable of at least starting to develop some super weapons for asymmetric warfare which will work their way into becoming mainstream weapons. Assassin's mace, ASAT, mini drones, EMPs, photonics based radars, hypersonic missiles, lasers, microwaves, DEWs... list goes on. Those are probably more important than immediate success of WS15 and J-20s in huge numbers. Hitler once thought of nuclear weapons as not worthy of serious pursuit. At one point, propeller powered fighters were considered more effective than jet powered because early jet powered fighters had many drawbacks.
 

Figaro

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Not just that. But remember the whole Su-35SK was bought to get Saturn 117S for the J-20 hypothesis.

Yes the J-20 is very underpowered compared to F119 powered F-22 but the WS-10B gives the J-20 full independence and security. That is overall great news for such a critical platform.
Do you know if Maya is still active? I haven't heard from him/her in a very long time ... I really wonder what is his take on this new WS-10X given his insight.
 
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Pupu notes a rumor about the current engine consisting of a WS-15 core encased in a WS-10 "shell". Very interesting.
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Pupu notes a rumor about the current engine consisting of a WS-15 core encased in a WS-10 "shell". Very interesting.
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You mean he refutes it?

Some dude: "hey pupu is this real?"

Pupu: "lmao, no."
 
Oh shoot, just got news now Russia very much willing to supply F117S only to China after learning China trying produce WS10x J20. Come on man, why would they do shit like that spoil others coming out party.
Thats normal .. same for CNC machine. Japan and Germany were willing to sell more advanced CNC machines when China was about able to make ones. But thats in the past, now they would sell anything they have to China.

But it seems for high performance turbofan still the same case for Russia to China.

Personally I'd rather China develop locally ... doesn't really matter if it is 5 years late .... China is not at war anytime soon .. and China is already super strong anyway defensively, nobody would dare to invade China
 
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