J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Equation]

Neither of them can be considered "capable naval platforms" just yet. They haven't even flown off carriers. .

That means China has a good program going on in the works for them to have two naval stealth fighters competing each other. Like I said before...it's all about the program!

 

[Deino]

Two interesting posts popped up this morning (via "sinowarrior" / CDF:

空军发言人表示，空军正向全疆域作战的现代化战略性军种迈进，成为有效塑造态势、管控危机、遏制战争、打赢战争的重要力量。歼-20战机列装空军作战部队，将进一步提升空军综合作战能力，有助于空军更好的肩负起维护国家主权、安全和领土完整的神圣使命。

so that's it.......J20 has achieved FOC and deployed to combat unit

Here's a similar report:

中国空军新闻发言人申进科大校2月9日发布消息，中国自主研制的新一代隐身战斗机歼-20，开始列装空军作战部队，向全面形成作战能力迈出重要一步。
　　歼-20战机于2016年11月参加中国珠海国际航展，首次公开进行飞行展示；2017年7月参加庆祝中国人民解放军建军90周年阅兵，首次以战斗姿态展示在世人面前，标志着空军向空天一体、攻防兼备的目标迈出了新的步伐。
　　歼-20战机交付空军后，实战实训逐步展开，飞行人才稳步成长，在空军“红剑-2017”体系对抗演习中发挥重要作用，为空军新质作战能力的提升打下基础。
　　空军发言人表示，空军正向全疆域作战的现代化战略性军种迈进，成为有效塑造态势、管控危机、遏制战争、打赢战争的重要力量。歼-20战机列装空军作战部队，将进一步提升空军综合作战能力，有助于空军更好的肩负起维护国家主权、安全和领土完整的神圣使命。

... and yesterday a rumour popped up that the first front-line unit in the ETC has received J-20s.

Any more info or an any idea where they go to?
Eastern Theater Command does not leave that many options for a newly equipped Brigade:

There are the Fuzhou and Shanghai Bases with their Brigades:

- Fuzhou at first (as it seems former 14th AD) just received J-16 (40th Brig) and is equipped with J-11B (41st Brig) … the third unit is a J-7E unit (42nd Brig) but this is unconfirmed and IMO not a prime candidate for getting the latest high-end fighter.

- Shanghai in return (the original one + former 3rd AD) has also just received J-16 (7th Brig), flies J-10A (8th) and Su-30MKK (9th) ... as such are quite new types, whereas the 78th has J-8DH, the 85th has Su-30MKK (maybe moved to Fuzhou), the 86th has J-7E and finally the 93rd with JZ-8F. So also at best the 78th Brigade at Shanghai.

Hmmm … anyway another important milestone if true.

Deino

 

[Deino]

PS: latest rumour says, the 9th Brigade at Wuhu is the first operational J-20A-unit:

So the 7th Brigade is getting J-16s, which are are replacing the Su-30MKK in the 9th which in return gets J-20As ? That would make perfectly sense.

However why they not directly replaces the Su-30MKK with J-16 and assign J-20s to the 7th I don't know.

 

[siegecrossbow]

PS: latest rumour says, the 9th Brigade at Wuhu is the first operational J-20A-unit:

So the 7th Brigade is getting J-16s, which are are replacing the Su-30MKK in the 9th which in return gets J-20As ? That would make perfectly sense.

However why they not directly replaces the Su-30MKK with J-16 and assign J-20s to the 7th I don't know.

What did the 9th operate before? If the 7th operated the Su-30MKK then they want a fighter that can fill the same role as the Su-30.

 

[Deino]

What did the 9th operate before? If the 7th operated the Su-30MKK then they want a fighter that can fill the same role as the Su-30.

The 7th had J-7E until mid 2017.

So we had:

- the 7th with J-7E now being replaced by J-16s
- the 8th with J-10A/AS
- the 9th with Su-30MKK (eventualyl being replaced by J-20)

My point is that it would seem to make more logical sense on paper to replace the 9th MKK with J-16 if both are updated anyway. Or does anyone know if the 9th have a particular history that might single them out for a prestige role, overriding operational logic?

Deino

 

[Klon]

 

[damon]

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[PanAsian]

The 7th had J-7E until mid 2017.

So we had:

- the 7th with J-7E now being replaced by J-16s
- the 8th with J-10A/AS
- the 9th with Su-30MKK (eventualyl being replaced by J-20)

My point is that it would seem to make more logical sense on paper to replace the 9th MKK with J-16 if both are updated anyway. Or does anyone know if the 9th have a particular history that might single them out for a prestige role, overriding operational logic?

Deino

It would make sense if the 9th is considered to be the most experienced and skilled with the most similar class of aircraft to the J-20 thereby the most capable of vetting the J-20's performance in service better and quicker than the others.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

From Oedo J-20 Public video of actual deployment

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[Deino]

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But these are surely not from this alleged "new" unit - by their serial 78272 from the well known unit - and also the others are from the parade and from Zhuhai...