J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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in reality, it would be a comparison rather than a competition,, I'm sure the PLANAF is weighing all the pros and cons of each aircraft, as well as availability and performance.. Shenyang and Chengdu are not in competition in the sense that LockMart and Boeing are in competition? as competition for defense dollars and winning a "fly-off" can often be existential for private companies,, it is amazing how fast a past winner can become a loser!
It is a competition. A competition itself includes a comparison, followed by a decision informed by the comparison. A 100m sprinting competition means that all the runners' results will be compared to each other and the shortest time is decided upon to be the winner.
SAC and CAC are in competition. Their products will be compared and then a decision will be made based on how the comparison went. The loser will then be delegated as a subcontractor and make fewer profits than the winning institute. In this way, the Chinese MIC is able to leverage human greed as an incentive while preventing said greed from running amok and compounding to ridiculous levels as it does with Western private arms manufacturers. At least that's how it works for domestic procurement, foreign military sales are fair game for as much greed as the manufacturers want.
In your mind and context it may well be, but my point is that losing the "competition" will NOT cause Shenyang or Chengdu to cease to exist, while on American soil there are the "memories" of many, many, many successful competitors, who because of a bad business decision or lack of innovation are "out of business"..
My real point is that the J-20 and the FC-31 will NOT engage in a "fly-off", due to their distinctly different classifications even though they are each one fifth generation designs...
but call it what you will?? it seems that each has their niche, the J-20A is a land based long range A2A platform, the FC-31 is of a similar size that both the Russians and Indians now operate off the ramp on the carrier..
of course the CAT will change the dynamic, but not in the immediate future??
the J-20 is now a mature design in current production and inducted into PLA service, I rather doubt that there is production capacity to meet the needs of both the PLA and PLANAF???
There was a guy and he just echoed everything:
- FC-31 has advantage in takeoff and landing
- J-20 has advantage in supersonic performance and longer range
- Neither is a perfect fit but PLAN is leaning toward FC-31 w/ modifications
- CAC is trying to change J-20 to meet the requirements, they may have done a lot of work, but nobody knows how the decision is/will be made, sometimes the opinions including the cartoons are wishful thinking
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Translation: "We don't know what it is or what it will be, but all we can do is to guess what it is without know exactly what we're guessing at, with the hopes of knowing what it is in the future. Whatever date that might be."
It is easy to forget the forest from the trees. The essence of this rumor (which will no doubt turn out to be true), is that China is actively developing two potentially excellent 5th generation naval fighters in parallel, and has the luxury of flying them off against each other to decide which to progress! Not even the US is able to that anymore. This is testament to the growing military-industrial complex in China, and shows how old firms like CAC have evolved into world technology leaders.
I love the 'neither is perfect fit' comment. Goes to show how quickly humans can take things for granted once we get used to them...10 years ago China didn't have a stealth fighter, carrier capable aircraft, or a carrier to even land them on. Now a choice between the two most capable naval platforms being developed in the world 'aren't a perfect fit'...classic!
I love the 'neither is perfect fit' comment. Goes to show how quickly humans can take things for granted once we get used to them...10 years ago China didn't have a stealth fighter, carrier capable aircraft, or a carrier to even land them on. Now a choice between the two most capable naval platforms being developed in the world 'aren't a perfect fit'...classic!
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