J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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Wow. I knew it was happening but actually seeing it is a different thing altogether. I don't think there's another factory in the world, besides maybe USAF Plant 4, that is simultaneously producing 4.5th and 5th-gen fighters.
Interesting that Gordon Chang is the guest host in the program. That's not exactly helpful for the reputation of the program.
Richard Fisher, on the other hand, has given some fair comments on J-20, if you can read/hear between the lines. At least he did not characterize J-20 as a long range interceptor or striker, which in my book these days would automatically be a dis-qualifier for the credibility of the said person (like the guy in the first video - as soon as he utters something like that, I stopped it).
Fisher positioned J-20 as a strong competitor to F-22 "five years from now" when an upgraded version come. I understand why he said so, but at least he believes J-20 is an air superiority fighter aircraft. His goal may be to promote an upgraded F-22, as always.
It continues to astound me that so many J-20 fans are "offended" by those who realize the J-20 will no doubt be an interceptor?? why would anyone in their right mind deny that?? or even a deep striker?? no doubt the J-20 will be tasked with both of those roles??, I mean really, the F-22 is just now being upgraded to be a deep striker?? the F-22 is no doubt an interceptor??.
I mean really,,,why don't we get to some reality therapy here on the SDF, denying the obvious, and it is obvious, casts a special kind of doubt on everything you post??
NOW, everyone KNOWs the AFB believes the J-20 will be stealthy, agile, and flies very well, and no it is NOT underpowered. So guys, let them think what they want to, you're not going to change their minds, they "need" to sound a special kind of smart so that they can consider themselves "experts".
Even the F-22 has felt the pressure to become multi-role, its is the world we live in. I would forget that slow flying wing krap that is the B-21, and go with an Upsized F-22B, or taking a cue from Sukhoi, the F-24,,, after the SU-34. Enlarge it, go with the F-135 upgrade engines, make it supercruise and super efficient give it some more wing and a larger weapons bay so you can go HIGH.
So all this protesting when these guys write their articles is kinda myopic and certainly exhausting for those of us who know the J-20 will not simply be tasked with A2A. That likely is its priority mission, but why limit the best airplane the Chinese have ever built to one narrow focus????
It is difficult, apparently, to know what is the West side and what is the East side of the Pacific.
very sweet! sad we don't see any numbers so we can get to know the individual aircraft.
To be precise, I never take offense from the views that J-20 can be a long-range interceptor and deep striker. In other words, it is designed as multi-role fifth-generation stealth fighter from the beginning. It's pretty obvious. It's primary role is for air superiority, like F-22, but it's size as well as the fact that it incorporates some of the targeting and sensor capabilities that only F-35 has (to be fair it's benefited from being developed more than a decade later than F-22) indicate that it has long legs and can strike at ground or sea targets. F-22 was conceived towards the end of the Cold War with Europe being its primary battleground. J-20, on the other hand, was developed with Western Pacific and China's own strategic environment in mind.
The problem I have is with some of these so-called experts' characterization of J-20 as being a primary long-range interceptor or deep striker, with the explicit or implicit implication that its ability to contest air superiority is subpar. I don't have problem with your description of J-20 above, by the way.
Thank you sir, and you have framed the issue very well, but the very word "interceptor" is almost like a "racial slur", and you know as well as I do that in the world of "air combat" the "merge" is becoming something we intend to avoid at all costs?
There is no such negative thinking here about the interceptor, in fact what these Western observers are doing it "warning" the the J-20 has long legs, and will be equipped with long legged stand-off weapons, and that our strategic "eyes and fuelers" will be at great risk???
I apologize if it seemed my post was aimed at you, it was not, I was just commenting that being an interceptor, striker, are excellent capabilities for your 1st string A2A bird, and open up its utility, making them more necessary than many realize.
Yeah but you're preaching to the choir here as nobody here disagrees that having interceptor/striker capabilities is bad or insulting. All of us, and I do believe I speak for ALL of us, only take issue with the implied or explicitly stated characterization of the J-20 as only an interceptor/striker.
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