J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

[Air Force Brat]

GREAT pics!

Looking at a blow up of the ne...another beautiful shot with six J-15s on deck, we see that three of them are loaded with four A2A missiles.

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Also, we see number 105 there.

We do not know it...because we do not see them all together at once, and because the clips could come from different events. But, in the one high res video, if we are to believe that all of it was from a single exercise, we see the following aircraft shown aboard the Liaoning in that video:

100, 101, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 113, and 114. That's ten.

Right, they are NOT expecting trouble/company, they "KNOW" the USN isn't gonna go "guns-up" with them today, prolly not ever. Further proof that fear-mongering is just that? so they have a very light A2A load-out, it would be interesting to me to know their fuel situation, but I would guess that they are fueled for a 2 hr CAP mission with sufficient reserves for trapping, being vectored to an "alternate" if the trapping goes poorly??

 

[Air Force Brat]

they have come a long way yet are taking a very slow pace in moving to the next steps.

I would agree that they have come a long way, but I do not agree that their pace is slow? I believe they see no need to train for and acquire the "frenetic" pace that USN trains for? operates under all the time?? They are there to establish a "presence", I do not think they feel "threatened" or compelled to "ramp up" their operation in a big hurry, and I believe they are likely extremely pleased to be where they are.

I would be if I were PLANAF, when you rush, you make mistakes.

 

[delft]

I would agree that they have come a long way, but I do not agree that their pace is slow? I believe they see no need to train for and acquire the "frenetic" pace that USN trains for? operates under all the time?? They are there to establish a "presence", I do not think they feel "threatened" or compelled to "ramp up" their operation in a big hurry, and I believe they are likely extremely pleased to be where they are.

I would be if I were PLANAF, when you rush, you make mistakes.

About half a century ago I read an article by Admiral Kuznetsov in which he said that in the expectation of the coming war the Soviet Navy in 1939 intensified training and thereby took risks that let to accidents and deaths.

 

[thunderchief]

Right, they are NOT expecting trouble/company, they "KNOW" the USN isn't gonna go "guns-up" with them today, prolly not ever. Further proof that fear-mongering is just that? so they have a very light A2A load-out, it would be interesting to me to know their fuel situation, but I would guess that they are fueled for a 2 hr CAP mission with sufficient reserves for trapping, being vectored to an "alternate" if the trapping goes poorly??

4 AAMs is standard CAP configuration for Flankers in peacetime and low-level conflict without significant aerial threat . You could see it on Russian Flankers patrolling over Baltic and even in Syria before Su-24 incident . Russians mostly use 2x R-73 +2xR-27 . For Chinese I'm not sure (someone would probably know better) , but I guess it would be PL-8 and PL-10 (or PL-12) . For this kind of missions they usually carry older missiles, near the end of useful life, in order to cut costs .

 

[tidalwave]

No wonder the J15 or Flanker production is so low. The manufacturing plants in Shenyang looks so outdated, looks like from Mao era. They really to revamp it to make it more modern production line.
It doesnt look like it has catched up to Russia level overall in aero sector.

Here's comparison of China, Russia and US manufacturing plants. You don't need to read the stats and you should able to tell which plant can crank out more jets just by looking at their setups.

Chinese J-15 line:



US F-22 Assembly line:



Russian Sukhoi assembly line:

 

[Jeff Head]

No wonder the J15 or Flanker production is so low. The manufacturing plants in Shenyang looks so outdated. They really to revamp it to make it more modern production line.

Here's comparison of China, Russia and US manufacturing plants. You don't need to read the stats and you should able to tell which plant can crank out more jets just by looking at their setups.

Chinese J-15 line:

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US F-22 Assembly line:

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Russian Sukhoi assembly line:

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Well, we should compare apples to apples.

The picture you show is of some kind of final touch up staging area for the J-15, probably before painting, and compare that to the actual assembly line for the others.

Here's the Shenyang assembly line of the J-15:



Be careful not to let any bias influence your comments and judgements based on a single picture. Do a little more research.

 

[asif iqbal]

Exactly as Jeff just said you can clearly see the orange tow bar, that flanker is going through either post or pre flight procedures and is a completed unit

 

[antiterror13]

I have no doubt of Chinese manufacturing efficiency and technology, one of the best and most modern in the world ... I believe much better than the Russian

 

[tidalwave]

Well, we should compare apples to apples.

Be careful not to let any bias influence your comments and judgements based on a single picture. Do a little more research.

What I meant the toolings and equipments being used on each plane.

 

[Blitzo]

What I meant the toolings and equipments being used on each plane.

Even if you meant the tooling and equipment, the picture you originally posted was an incorrect one for comparison, because as Jeff said that picture shows a J-15 virtually finished in construction and likely waiting to be painted. Obviously at that stage, there will be virtually no tooling in the picture, so using that picture for comparison is illogical.

As for actually seeking to compare the tooling and equipment -- it's impossible to really ascertain and compare them in a fair way without knowing what stages of the manufacturing line various pictures depict, and also having similarly high quality pictures which show the details of the manufacturing line, not to mention we will need pictures from various angles of the manufacturing line so we know any equipment is not being obscured by the camera angle.


In other words, wanting to compare the tooling and equipment of a manufacturing line is a respectable ideal, but we don't know enough about the manufacturing process of each aircraft nor do we have comprehensive photos or evidence of each line to make any judgements about each line's efficiency in anything near an accurate way.


edit: Jeff's picture also doesn't look too different from the Sukhoi production line picture you posted and not even too different from the F-22 production line either, considering the low resolution of the SAC production line