J-10 Thread IV
- Thread starter Jeff Head
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I posted the photo over there! It came from here! Good news!
I found a piece of strange information regarding the J-10B and C-units ! with again a strange 66. Brigade here:
But I still don't know a 66. Brigade ???
From what I know Brigades can be found in the Training units, the FTTC, CFTE and the Bases.
Again from what I know (by ignoring the Training Brigades) the ...:
FTTC: 151st, 156st (unconfirmed), 170th, 171st and 172nd Brigade
CFTE at Dingxin: 175th Brigade
Shanghai Base: 78th, 85th, 86th and 93rd Brigade
Nanning Base: 124th, 125th, 126th Brigade ... surprisingly one Brigade still missing
Ürümqi Base: 109th, 110th, 111th and 112th Brigade
Dalian Base: 88th, 89th, 90th and 91st Brigade
Deino
But I still don't know a 66. Brigade ???
From what I know Brigades can be found in the Training units, the FTTC, CFTE and the Bases.
Again from what I know (by ignoring the Training Brigades) the ...:
FTTC: 151st, 156st (unconfirmed), 170th, 171st and 172nd Brigade
CFTE at Dingxin: 175th Brigade
Shanghai Base: 78th, 85th, 86th and 93rd Brigade
Nanning Base: 124th, 125th, 126th Brigade ... surprisingly one Brigade still missing
Ürümqi Base: 109th, 110th, 111th and 112th Brigade
Dalian Base: 88th, 89th, 90th and 91st Brigade
Deino
Actually maybe your infamous, I saw your picture in the POST OFFICE! LOL just kidding Bubba, but I'm kinda giving up hope that Chengdu is sending us those tickets for that PIREP on the J-20, I may have to unpack my helmet, goggle, and the old mans silk scarf??? and I was all set to take the J-20 around the patch a few times???? and I would be perfectly happy to fly it with the AL-31FNs???
I don'zt think so or better to say IMO You are wrong.
The J-10B/Cs are all using the latest AL-31FN Series 3 fresh from Russia ... and that they are refurbished from Xi'an would be also new to me since otherwise I thought, all AL-31s were maintained at Chengdu's Engine Division. Or am I wrong ?
As such I would be eager to learn more about this ... especially to know what's Your source!
Deino
Yes. Likewise IMO we can be both right and wrong.1. Plant 5719 aka Xian Engine Refurbishment and overhaul Center is located in Chengdu. That is what the confusion arised from.
2. According to what I read from netizens discussion in China, many of them quoting insiders sources - Initially Chengdu did installed brand new AL-31FN Mk-III to their brand new J10B. However they changed their mind after a brand new J10B crash after the engine stalled in midair.
3. If one observed closely, these AL-31FN engines are not new one but refurbished engine.
4. It was alleged in China's blogs, Chinese pilots preferred their homegrown WS-10A & B series engines to AL-31FN as they claimed they are more powerful and certainly more reliable.
5. From what I read and understand, all AL-31F are maintain and upgraded by this plant headed by a female chief.
China aviation programs esp. those related to the military are shroud in secrecy.
Foreign military experts, enthusiasts like ourselves are all dependent on rumors and perhaps what are described as fanboy arts to solve the remaining puzzle. Examples can be found in the past - J10A, J-10B and J-20 were are presented as fanboy arts until one discovered that some of them were depicted so correctly and accurately. This is why,there is a huge following both inside and outside China. It is quite fun.
So until China released these information which are in fact quite old by then, one can continue the western method of denial until one verified the source but how?
Until lately, China never even confirmed the existence of a second AC nor its construction.
Quickie
Colonel
Knowing that re-manufacturing kits to upgrade the AL-31FN engines are already routine occurrence during the normal course of maintenance, IMO, those AL-31FN are re-manufactured units rather than refurbished ones. These re-manufactured engines are as good as new since all the critical components like the fan blades, turbines should have already been replaced with new, likely indigenous, ones.
1. Plant 5719 aka Xian Engine Refurbishment and overhaul Center is located in Chengdu. That is what the confusion arised from.
2. According to what I read from netizens discussion in China, many of them quoting insiders sources - Initially Chengdu did installed brand new AL-31FN Mk-III to their brand new J10B. However they changed their mind after a brand new J10B crash after the engine stalled in midair.
3. If one observed closely, these AL-31FN engines are not new one but refurbished engine.
4. It was alleged in China's blogs, Chinese pilots preferred their homegrown WS-10A & B series engines to AL-31FN as they claimed they are more powerful and certainly more reliable.
5. From what I read and understand, all AL-31F are maintain and upgraded by this plant headed by a female chief.
China aviation programs esp. those related to the military are shroud in secrecy.
Foreign military experts, enthusiasts like ourselves are all dependent on rumors and perhaps what are described as fanboy arts to solve the remaining puzzle. Examples can be found in the past - J10A, J-10B and J-20 were are presented as fanboy arts until one discovered that some of them were depicted so correctly and accurately. This is why,there is a huge following both inside and outside China. It is quite fun.
So until China released these information which are in fact quite old by then, one can continue the western method of denial until one verified the source but how?
Until lately, China never even confirmed the existence of a second AC nor its construction.
I think you should pay Deino some respect, who has followed Chinese aviation for a long time and have long been a great observer/source of everything PLAAF related.
I'm not sure where you got the refurbished stuff from, but I have not seen it. But yes, if there is problems with engine, they will be sent to MRO plant in Chengdu for overhauling and repairs. That's the point of having such a large domestic AL-31 plant. But there is no indication that they are sent to Chengdu first before they were ever installed on J-10B.
My discussion with Deino is pretty civil and there is no question on the subject of disrespect here. He is a pretty open-minded chappie. I have seen him admitting his oversight and error in the past with other members but what surprises me is his willingness to pursue and seek the truth as others see it. I am pretty sure my comment will lead him to new angle and observation.Conversely your comment surprised me as you as a moderstor failed to understand the concept and principle of a forum which is to share, exchange IDEAS and agree to disagree. You have yet to earn your stripe with me. RESPECT is be earn and not demand.
As for your point on Xian Refurbishing Plant - noted.
Unfortunately I will similarly take it with a pinch of salt because IMO they are as valid as mine. All based on hearsay, speculation from the sometime overly enthusiastic Chinese bloggers and mainly guesswork. That is unless you are an inner part of the isoteric circle which apparently you are not.
Cheer! Enjoy the fun of a new day.