J-10 Thread IV


crash8pilot

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the dual rack is not an ideal solution as they took up spot that can be used for land attach/Anti-ship weapons. The central fuel tank is small anyway and it can be replaced by making the other 2 fuel tanks larger (as on Mirage 2000). If they can do that, it allows J10 to carry 2 fuel tanks, 2-3 PL15, 2 PL10 and 2 large ground/ship attacking weapon without changing the air frame too much.
Dual rack only takes up 1 pylon, so it doesn't take up any additional hardpoint. In addition the J-10 will most likely be rocking three external fuel tanks, much like the Rafale and Eurofighter (heck even the F-15s rocked up with 3 tanks in Southern Watch), to long range/duration operations.

Unlike other countries, the PLA has the luxury of not requiring one fighter to do every job. A fighter that does every job ends up being a jack of all trades but a master of none anyway. The J-10 is a capable air-to-air platform, but if the PLAAF needed to clear up the skies, chances are they'd send in the J-20 (dedicated air superiority fighter) and J-11 (larger missile loadout) instead of the J-10. As for strike, well the J-16 (a dedicated strike fighter that can hold a boat load of bombs and munition) and to a certain extent older JH-7s have a greater striking capability than the J-10.

As such the J-10 primarily serves as a multirole fighter to conduct counterair (basically air patrol), AEW/tanker/mobility escort, fighter sweep, a limited strike mission, and perhaps SEAD (lightweight airframe makes it ideal for dodging SAMs and AAA). That's why there isn't a need for the J-10 to have a truck load of BVR missiles. When the J-10 was designed as a lightweight fighter, more missiles and munitions would only add additional weight and drag, which takes away its advantage/selling point.

Counterair operations, no-fly zone enforcement, and escort loadout:
  • 2x PL-10
  • 4x PL-15
  • 3x External fuel tanks
Anti-ship or strike loadout:
  • 2x PL-10
  • 2x Precision guided bomb or 2x YJ-9
  • 3x External fuel tanks
  • Targeting pod
In other words, the J-10C still packs quite the punch and has very impressive capability. Why else do you think all the Pakistani fanboys have been crying for its procurement?
 

Gloire_bb

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Counterair operations, no-fly zone enforcement, and escort loadout:
  • 2x PL-10
  • 4x PL-15
  • 3x External fuel tanks
For realistic configurations - 2/2/2 or even 2/2/1 is far more likely.
We're talking about a single-engined fighter here.

Flying bush configurations look cool, but they aren't needed all that often...
 

Atomicfrog

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For realistic configurations - 2/2/2 or even 2/2/1 is far more likely.
We're talking about a single-engined fighter here.

Flying bush configurations look cool, but they aren't needed all that often...
In peace time it's always better to preserve the life of the jet with light payload anyway. But in war situation it can be interesting to put a bit more only if the plane is able to use them before lack of fuel or lack of luck.
 

Gloire_bb

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In peace time it's always better to preserve the life of the jet with light payload anyway. But in war situation it can be interesting to put a bit more only if the plane is able to use them before lack of fuel or lack of luck.
Additional suspended weapons cut specs, significantly.
The smaller and lighter the plane, the more the effect. Or, reductio ad absurdum, the more you carry, the harder it is to use that you carry. And stay alive.

Most fancy&good looking "truck-like" configurations are rarely usable.

Sometimes it happens(aerial ambushes, certain types of strike missions like famous french missions), but in most cases realistic combat payloads are quite limited.
 

by78

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A newly released old image taken at 611.

 

crash8pilot

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A close-up look at the small bombs loaded onto J-10:

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Under special pylon adaptors:

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Dropped in a sequence:

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Have a feeling they're practice bombs - the US have something similar called the BDU-33, which are 25lb inert ordnances that are used to simulate Mk82 bombs and allow pilots to practice dropping unguided bombs. The BDU-33 releases a cloud of smoke on impact instead of making a bang/mess like a live bomb would, and allows pilots to see how accurate they were in their bombing run/pass.

 

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