J-10 Thread IV

SinoSoldier

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Deino said:
However I sometimes have the feeling that some Pakistani members, especially at the PDF and even including several "reputable" have the opinion as if it's always something like a "request concert" (as we say in Germany), as if everything that the PLA has in trail or already in use is available at any time and at best also for free.

There are some dreamers - or shall I say fan boys - which print an image of JF-17 Bl. II + III flying together with J-10C, the Turkish TF-X and also Azm, eventually alongside Su-35 or even J-16s, which of course are operated alongside or together with the EW version of the JF-17, the JH-7B - although it does not exist (any more) - and the J-16D.

So as long as there is nothing more officially reported, it really does not excite me very much to see a Pakistani officer no matter what rank in a J-10C. IMO that's more or less the same as seeing an Iranian officer in a JF-17, which some also take as prof, Iran WILL get the JF-17.

Just my two cents,
Deino
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I know what you mean, but there are a couple of sources whom I would rank alongside the Chinese "big shrimps".

One of them accurately claimed that the LKF601E was tested on a JF-17 PT-06 prototype even before the AVIC video was shown to the public.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
I know what you mean, but there are a couple of sources whom I would rank alongside the Chinese "big shrimps".

One of them accurately claimed that the LKF601E was tested on a JF-17 PT-06 prototype even before the AVIC video was shown to the public.
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Agreed, but those are the ones, who are usually quite calm, rather reserved or even taciturn.
 
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Interesting comparing the final nozzle in the images of the standard J-10 with the TVC nozzle from the Zhuhai show. The TVC nozzle looks pretty heavy, and even seems to be double jointed. Compare with ITP's neat TVC nozzle they designed for EJ200 in Eurofighter in the late 1990's. It was very simple, pretty much using baseline parts but with a different set of actuators. That's one of the big issues with retrofitting a TV nozzle onto an existing aircraft, you can screw with the CoG and lose much of the potential benefit.
 
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Deino said:
However I sometimes have the feeling that some Pakistani members, especially at the PDF and even including several "reputable" have the opinion as if it's always something like a "request concert" (as we say in Germany), as if everything that the PLA has in trail or already in use is available at any time and at best also for free.

There are some dreamers - or shall I say fan boys - which print an image of JF-17 Bl. II + III flying together with J-10C, the Turkish TF-X and also Azm, eventually alongside Su-35 or even J-16s, which of course are operated alongside or together with the EW version of the JF-17, the JH-7B - although it does not exist (any more) - and the J-16D.

So as long as there is nothing more officially reported, it really does not excite me very much to see a Pakistani officer no matter what rank in a J-10C. IMO that's more or less the same as seeing an Iranian officer in a JF-17, which some also take as prof, Iran WILL get the JF-17.

Just my two cents,
Deino
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Hi,

@Deino --- I told you a long time ago---anything that pak military wants from china---it is available---.

Pak military would only ask what it can absorb---means pak military would only ask for a system that it can use to its maximum---.

But you have a prejudice against pak military by accepting that fact---.

Your prejudicial view of pak / china relationship will not make you a believer---. It is because of your personal ego that you do not want to accept it---.

8 submarine contract signed awhile ago when posters here were saying won't happen---. To your surprise the 054 contract of 4 ships signed as well---and those 054's will be more advanced than the one the chinese have---and the posters here stated it won't happen.

They are---in a similar manner like the Cobra gunships that pak military got from the US in the 80's were more advanced at that time what the US military had in operation---.

Iran is a pariah state---its interest means nothing---.
 
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MastanKhan said:
Hi,

@Deino --- I told you a long time ago---anything that pak military wants from china---it is available---.
Pak military would only ask what it can absorb---means pak military would only ask for a system that it can use to its maximum---.
But you have a prejudice against pak military by accepting that fact---.

Your prejudicial view of pak / china relationship will not make you a believer---. It is because of your personal ego that you do not want to accept it---.
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To admit I feel sorry that you have this opinion on me. I have no prejudice AGAINST Pakistan nor the PAF, quite exactly to the contrary I have the deepest respect and admiration, however - and here I maybe must agree with you or you are right - I have a very strong prejudice against these fan boys which as posted above have unrealistic and even more IMO plain stupid dreams: a mixed fleet of JF-17 Bl. II + III, J-16A/C, J-10C, the Turkish TF-X and also Azm, eventually alongside Su-35 or J-16s and if you go by the wildest dreamers even J-20s + EW version of the JF-17, the JH-7B - although it does not exist (any more) - and the J-16D is impossible, unrealistic and again plain stupid.

Therefore you are right I'm not convinced as you say that "---anything that pak military wants from china---it is available---". There are surely certain lines that won't be crossed and IMO this includes the J-20, all Chinese Flankers, the 055 DDG as some dream.

Concerning the J-10 IMO it was a mistake NOT to procure this type and I'm still convinced that a mixed fleet of JF-17 and J-10 of what ever variant would be a much better choice than this mixed fleet of too many and to different types which some portray.

Again my reservations are not against the PAK nor Pakistan, but - similar to India - I blame the Pakistani bureaucratic, political system within the political level.

So in summary, I'm for the J-10 in PAF ... since years and I still don't get it why they decided against it but I'm 100% convinced that these fan-boy dreams "---anything that pak military wants from china---it is available---" and at best for free is wrong.

Kind regards,
Deino
 
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