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J-10 Thread IV
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What's the point? Once you carry weapons externally the RCS will be large anyway.
wouldn't it help atleast? I mean if cost is low.
I don't think stealth can be "painted" onto any airframe. There are many methods for reducing RCS and each method must be applied with complete commitment for a final product that can be considered even half stealthy in the leagues of commonly accepted 5th gen fighters. The fact that not a single airforce has applied cheap and easy methods of reducing RCS onto established designs, prove beyond any doubt that such quick fixes do not exist. The grandest effort in these directions are applying stealth pods to legacy USAF fighters to improve RCS, with some changes to their frames (expensive mods or completely new blocks with new steps in the manufacturing process). These programs have not yet been properly put into action or offered as a finished product on the market.
So upgrading J-10 with RAM and designing weapons pods will not be done anytime soon. The Americans have researched that path and shown it to be currently economically and effectively unfeasible. Therefore no serious effort will be put into this field and by the time such tech properly develops, manufacturing of complete 5th gen platforms will have matured, defeating the need of expensive frame upgrades for 4th gen fighters.
not exactly easy or simple, but f/a-18e/f. euroducks claim the same approach, but i am not sure how much of it is a vapoware.
of course, even clean supeebugs aren't stealthy, but tey neverteless have a great deal of signature management built into them.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Possible but also likely to streamline the aerodynamics of the fighter.
A number of fighters in the late fourth generation use retractable conseal able probes that would offer the best option for farther development of radar and aerodynamics.
most modern fighters already have some degree of RAM in their paints. It's not as absorbent as that used in a full fifth generation though. As that is more sensitive to conditions. However being a fourth gen it already as limits on how low observable it can go.
Not as large as a unmodified form but larger then a full fifth generation.
Well it has been done to a degree but without the "total package" it's only partially effective
True absolutely true. However late model 4th gens or the so-called 4.5 and 4.5+ generation, fighters that would be the J10's peers in terms of time of introduction have taken steps to introduced some degree of Low Observable technology and features.
The Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafael, Silent Eagle and Rhino Hornet and Advanced Super Hornet all take this approach. No they are nowhere near as stealthy as a proper fifth gen but they still get just that much more edge.
We have seen the Chinese testing from time to time technology on J10 that could lead to such. The recent TVC nozzle. The Divertless intake modification from years back are both indicators of the possibility of such.
After all J10 is still a comparatively young fighter only in its 20s and the PRC shows no signs of ending production because of there fifth gens.
If they combined a DSI with a TVC. There aviation industry has to be working on a retractable refueling probe for there fifth gens at the very least. semi-recessed carry if not conformal weapons pods. With some increase in RAM and composite materials should be able to keep the J10 at the front edge of technology and relevent for maybe another 25 years well they sort J20 and FC31.
Not bleeding edge of technology, perhaps not even the blade tip but still sharp end.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Rhino Hornet has angled intakes and fuselage as well as tail. Rafale the same both the Rafale and Eurofighter have S ducts to reduce the radar return off the engines I think the JAS39 does that to.
A feature lacking in SU57.
Eurofighter semi reassessed some of its weapons to partially reduce return.
Eurofighter is stated to use RAM on some points of high reflection. Rafale reduced the size and swept a number of parts to reduce its reflections it also has saw tooth lines to farther reduce RCS.
I wouldn't say vaporware but, not full bore stealth either.