Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

mossen said:

But Israel is not. There is no need for Turkey to collaborate with Israel.

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Yes it is. Israel is the United States of America. Embarrassing Israel means embarrassing the US and NATO. The defeat of Israel would mean the defeat of NATO and the US.

If Turkey just joined BRICS as a partner and Saudi Arabia as a full member, doesn't that mean they are legally obligated to not be aggressive or assist in any aggression against a BRICS nation? Anyone here understand the legalities of this matter regarding BRICS?

mossen said:

But Israel is not. There is no need for Turkey to collaborate with Israel.

Erdogan has been accusing Israel of genocide and then he turns around and co-operates with them. If he wants to be a puppet then he should act like one, not fake pretend to be tough on Israel. All I'm asking for is consistency. Whatever you want to say about Iran, they are consistent in their actions with their rhetoric.

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If he acted like one, he'd lose most of his voting base.

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US Army
Azerbaijan > Georgia > Turkey > Erbil (Kurd Iraq)


I suspect this route to Tehran

500km to Tehran from Baku Kala airbase, no need for aerial refuelling especially with standoff weapons.

Totoro said:

Which sources mentioned Saudi or Turkey as routes of attack?

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Flight radar data shows US aerial assets making unusual moves around Iran via KSA, Qatar, Turkey and now, Azerbaijan and Georgia.

mossen said:

But Israel is not. There is no need for Turkey to collaborate with Israel.

Erdogan has been accusing Israel of genocide and then he turns around and co-operates with them. If he wants to be a puppet then he should act like one, not fake pretend to be tough on Israel. All I'm asking for is consistency. Whatever you want to say about Iran, they are consistent in their actions with their rhetoric.

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Being a NATO ally means doing what the US tells you to do. Ask Germany if they were thrilled to be dragged into the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Index said:

They should get done with Gaza first before thinking about Lebanon.

Or did you mean the hiatus to recover from losses means they're "done"? Then the problem is more that Lebanon might not feel done with Israel.

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What more is needed? Theyre just moving rubble mostly in Gaza.

Theyve knocked out thousands of Hezbollah fighters and missiles, and lost few dozen soldiers.

phrozenflame said:

What more is needed? Theyre just moving rubble mostly in Gaza.

Theyve knocked out thousands of Hezbollah fighters and missiles, and lost few dozen soldiers.

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Yet achieving none of their claimed strategic goals. Also imagine believing Israeli claims, when they have been caught using AI images or phony intercepted calls

phrozenflame said:

What more is needed? Theyre just moving rubble mostly in Gaza.

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So was Russia in Mariupol a week after 2022 Feb. To keep moving, it's imperative to actually win the local battle by taking out the defenders in their fortifications.

phrozenflame said:

Theyve knocked out thousands of Hezbollah fighters and missiles, and lost few dozen soldiers.

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lol so that's why they're using the opportunity after taking no losses and inflicting massive defeats on the enemy to rapidly advance back into... north Israel.

Believing IDF sources at face value... Too gullible and sometimes naive.

We know from the videos of the Iranian attacks how obvious ballistic missiles are to a civilian population. But we only have videos of some anti aircraft artillery firing, presumably at drones. Doesn't that suggest that the majority of the Israeli attacks were carried out using the stealth drone mentioned in the previous leaked documents? Air launched ballistic missiles should be very obvious, surely?

Minm said:

We know from the videos of the Iranian attacks how obvious ballistic missiles are to a civilian population. But we only have videos of some anti aircraft artillery firing, presumably at drones. Doesn't that suggest that the majority of the Israeli attacks were carried out using the stealth drone mentioned in the previous leaked documents? Air launched ballistic missiles should be very obvious, surely?

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I'm thinking the same thing, AA gun won't have been used against ballistic missiles unless Iranian just want to see some fireworks. Probably drones or cruise missiles

Minm said:

We know from the videos of the Iranian attacks how obvious ballistic missiles are to a civilian population. But we only have videos of some anti aircraft artillery firing, presumably at drones. Doesn't that suggest that the majority of the Israeli attacks were carried out using the stealth drone mentioned in the previous leaked documents? Air launched ballistic missiles should be very obvious, surely?

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Drones, cruise missiles, loitering munition, AGM, etc. What's missing is the damage on the ground. Nothing noteworthy has appeared yet on any media. Strikes in Lebanon and Syria could be seen from miles away, captured from press to social media, but nothing showing in Iran. Either the incoming strikes were intercepted or there were none fired. US and Israel are saying the operations is completed. Very disappointing operation from the looks of it.
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Atleast 6 USAF tankers spotted on the Western border of Iran (indicating a massive aerial presence in the region),


1 British tanker + 2 Eurofighters spotted entering the region from Cyprus, via Turkey

Italian and Dutch air forces also present