You're thinking too deep lol like I said defeating ISIS is very easy. What makes it hard is the political ramifications and the consequences of such actions. I refused to believe that a multi trillion dollar military CANNOT defeat a terrorist group.I do not share the same sentiment as you that defeating ISIS will be easy. ISIS is not just a terrorist organisation but is driven by a mandated vision of political Islam to establish a Muslim Caliphate. This has tremendous appeal to all Muslims and a minority is prepared to act it out. The genie is now out of the bottle so to speak in that the vision is embodied by captured territory to realise what had been before was simply an idea. The Ottoman empire was symbolic of that vision until that empire was truncated to now what is Turkey. It is no strange coincidence that Turkey is somehow inserted in this terrible political mess. If the vision has past its tipping point it is no longer easy to put the genie back into the bottle. Bullets and bombs can't kill an idea/vision if there are enough believers who are prepared to act it out.
The conflict between Sunni and Shia is simply a power struggle between two Muslim groups who has a different vision on how the mantle of their prophet was passed on.
Until there is a recognition that any solution is not just simply political but has a heavy religious bend to it, any solutions would just be a band aid and temporal.
Strange in more with the refueling pod !
A NATO TF, mainly French, this navies are very used to do this together.the group looks pretty international to me
and some more now, because of:... and as for #2, I'm puzzled even more than I had been those three weeks ago
I haven't yet seen this type of information made public.Sources said on Saturday that approximately 1,100 additional soldiers from the Syrian Army’s 4th Mechanized Division arrived to Al-Safira in order to intensify their military operations near the strategic towns of Al-Hadher and Tal Al-‘Eiss in the Southern part of Aleppo province.
According to the military reports, the Syrian Army’s 46th Brigade of the 4th Mechanized Division (formerly at Al-Zabadani) left their coastal headquarters in the town of Ras Al-Bassit (Northwest Lattakia) after receiving orders from the Syrian army’s Central Command to redeploy to Southern Aleppo.
I think this where we will have to disagree. I think its less to do with political ramifications (why even bother being involved in the fight at all if you are so worried about annoying key "allies"?) and more to do with cost. And I am not talking about the monetary costs.You're thinking too deep lol like I said defeating ISIS is very easy. What makes it hard is the political ramifications and the consequences of such actions.
I have amended your quote above.I refused to believe that a multi trillion dollar military CAN defeat a terrorist group without paying a price for it.
Agreed. I was saying the same thing just kept it at a higher level while you went into details. American blood = political ramifications among other things.I think this where we will have to disagree. I think its less to do with political ramifications (why even bother being involved in the fight at all if you are so worried about annoying key "allies"?) and more to do with cost. And I am not talking about the monetary costs.
I have amended your quote above.
That is where I think the fundamental problem is.
Pretty much everyone and his dog knows you cannot hold ground with air power, and without being able to take and hold ground, you simply cannot win on the ground short of glassing the whole place with nukes.
Hell, even then you will probably have pockets remaining hidden in some hole, and that you will have to send someone down that hole after them with a gun to truly root them out.
The whole farce about trying to create and arm "moderate rebels" but ending up arming ISIS instead is the direct result of western reluctance to send their own troops in on the ground to engage ISIS and destroy them, so they tried to outsource that dying to the locals. Problem being the ones fanatical enough to want to die for the cause plays for the other side.
Not being willing to work with Assad is down to the political considerations you have mentioned, but it would have been perfectly feasible to go in and take him out as well as ISIS had the West been willing to pay the butcher's bill for such an outcome.
As such, I would characterise the west's military failings against ISIS as one down to a lack of will and belief - the West believes in, and wants their claimed objectives enough to kill for them, but not enough to die for them.
Russian strikes killed Syrian soldiers in eastern Syria, the Pentagon said Monday, responding to reports that coalition aircraft had hit government forces — and bolstering its case that Moscow’s warplanes are dangerously indiscriminate and imprecise in their targeting.
“We’re certain it was the Russians who did this today,” a military official said Monday ahead of an expected official statement attributing the strikes to Moscow.
Later in the day, Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said, “We maintain exacting procedures and strict protocol to be precise in our strikes … We do not have any reason to target the Assad regime or the Syrian army; we are at war only with ISIS.”
Col. Steve Warren, spokesman in Baghdad for Operation Inherent Resolve, confirmed that U.S. warplanes had conducted four strikes in Dayr Az Zawr province, but said they struck oil wells some 55 kilometers southeast of Ayyash, and were not aimed at people or vehicles.
“We have no indication any Syrian soldiers were near our strikes,” Warren said in a statement.
The Pentagon said Russia had conducted long-range bomber strikes into Syria that same day.
The Obama administration and U.S. military officials have long accused Russia of indiscriminately targeting civilians, moderate Syrian rebels (some trained and equipped by the U.S. government), and other groups that oppose Assad. They say Moscow is primarily focused on propping up the regime, not fulfilling its stated aim of going after the Islamic State.