janjak desalin
Junior Member
why not both?
ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)
- Thread starter Jeff Head
- Start date
Typical accuse-first tactic by perpetrators.
One way of Russian retaliation is to shot down a Turkish plane (even when it is inside Turkish airspace) by claiming Russian aircraft is locked by Turkish fighter's radar. Based on today's Turkish "rule of engagement", a preemptive response is justifiable as nobody is going to wait to be killed. Just do it once as a statement, and see what the Turks would come up.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
there goes Turkey's booming Russian tourism!
Turkish tourism to be first victim of Russian jet crisis
November 24, 2015, Tuesday/ 18:29:39/ TODAY'S ZAMAN / ISTANBUL
hopefully a travel ban will be established!
My guess for Russian response is that the relevant region where the SU24 was operating in Syria is going to be visited by a lot of heavily armed Russian bombers with very modern escorts and that Turkman terrorist groups will receive the mother of all poundings starting from tomorrow.
It will be a direct invitation for the Turkish Airforce to come and play or otherwise be seen as being of a distinctly "Georgy Porgy" disposition.
I also note the very weak support Turkey has received form NATO today - a rather bland restatement of the obvious about having the right to defend its territory.
I think Mr Edmaps will need to work fast to keep his maps of this area up to date!
It will be a direct invitation for the Turkish Airforce to come and play or otherwise be seen as being of a distinctly "Georgy Porgy" disposition.
I also note the very weak support Turkey has received form NATO today - a rather bland restatement of the obvious about having the right to defend its territory.
I think Mr Edmaps will need to work fast to keep his maps of this area up to date!
Wow! Like it's not the reason why they were there in the first place!
Jura posted a map earlier with Russian strikes in the area controlled by Turkish-backed 'moderate opposition' against Assad which was a back-up force for ISIS crazy religion controlled forces. The proxy war will continue. That's what will happen as Russia isn't powerful enough to stand against Turkey far away from it's borders in conventional war. That might be a good excuse for Turkey to get some Syrian territory if used unwisely by Russians in the near future.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
Also, brings into question the matter of just which nations recognize Turkey's annexation of the region, and why? Turkey might have just opened the door into two subjects they're loathe to address. They're unilateral annexation of this region and their genocidal campaign against Armenian peoples.
Are you trying to paint the Russian actions in Syria as imperialistic acts?
By eliminating terrorists, Mr. Putin is bringing peace to the world. Just like you have to agree what France is doing there is bringing peace to the world. Regardless of what Russia or France has done in the past in this region, what they are doing right now is for th sake of whole humanity on this planet. Anybody denouncing their act now is cynical at best.
So, no I am not kidding at all.
I have a feeling that due to some deep hatrade of you towards Russia, you would rather speak for Turkey in this incident by painting Russia as imperialist even though the evidance of Turkey's collaberation with terrorists is only concealed by a piece of thin glass. Are you kidding yourself? Because you can not fool anyone else except yourself.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
ISIL sympathizer! You know they're all over the net!
I not ISIL, the perpetrator of terrorist acts across the globe, the common enemy, here?
Do not answer if you're Turk or Saudi; we already know!
and, now, we all know that "moderate" rebels shoot at parachutists, in violation of consensus conventions, and kill ejected pilots, just like ISIL does.
it's so hypocritical! the western world demands that Muslims distinguish themselves from Islamic Radicals, yet there is no such requirement of "moderate" rebels.
Last edited:
Well, wolf, they could have warned it as it approached Turkish air space I suppose, probably at least three times as it got close and was on course to cross into Turkish airspace.Whoever said it was an accident? Nice strawman.
The official Turkish explanation doesn't match their own pretty graphic.
The part of Turkish territory the Su24 was alleged to have violated is 3km wide, a Su24 at cruise speed of 600km/h would have crossed it in 18 seconds. How do you warn it 10 times in 5 minutes within 18 seconds (36 if it did do two passes)?
Even if we are generous and assume a 20 second flyover time, that Su24 would have had to have done 15 loops to have violated Turkish airspace long enough to match the official Turkish version of events.
Yeah, its the victim's fault for being too weak to be able to resist, not the fault of the aggressor.
If the downed Turkish jet was bombing Syrian territory when it was engaged? How could anyone reasonably blame Syria for that?
They certainly would not have been able to warn it 10 times as it was in Turkish airspace unless it loitered there and was circling to attack...even then, it is doubtful that the aircraft would have been in Turkish air space for more than 30-45 seconds.
My guess is that they warned it as it approached, and then maybe warned it once while in the air space to get out before firing.
My own opinion is that this reaction (which IMHO was terribly hasty because everyone knows that the Russians are there attacking ISIS and have no intent to attack Turkey), was done for two reasons:
1) Because if you remember, some time ago a Turkish aircraft was shot down over Syria.
2) Because the Turks do not want Obama to be convinced to go in with Russia in defeating all of the Syrian rebels and thereby solidifying Assad's position.
That second would be an unspoken, deep background reason that would never be publicized or admitted to.
The first is a well known occurrence and would, from the Turks perspective, even the tally.