Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

Do not despair, @Gatekeeper @plawolf , and do not cry for racism or injustice. Just grow strong, because the ultimate sin, the one universal reason that rises above all else for mistreatment or suffering, is weakness. People embrace and idolize the strong and reject or pity the weak. Strength transcends skin color.

Gatekeeper said:

Yes, agree and it saddens and scares me at the same time!

There's really no need for it. It's such an illogical mentality. It's almost cavemen mentality. The sad thing is this way of thinking is not just restricted to one or two individuals. It's quite mainstream nowadays!

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Avtually Peters is Maori who have a concern that Asians might outnumber the indigenous Maoris in their own land in the not to distant future. Maoris make up 15% and Asians, close to 12%
BRADY I is married to a Chinese.
BRADY with the help of defected diplomat Chen Yonglin outed a Nz chinese M.P. Jiang Yang.
In short they refuted Yangs story that he had resigned his membership of the CCP. Since Yang once worked for Chinas security service .........she suggesting he could.be a plant.

When asked if it was true that China had asked if Nz was asked to join the One Belt one Road project his answer was...'They dont provide enough information to make a decision'
Well. I m guessing that reply to the journalist was designed to annoy China because he had turned down an invitation to attend the Conference.

ZeEa5KPul said:

I don't know about the US shooting itself in the foot, but it's certainly shooting its "allies":

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That leak has to be the stupidest thing I read about in the news in the last four weeks, and there's plenty of competition for that dubious distinction.

The irony is that the US, while claiming to be for the national interestand security of the UK, greatly undermines such interest & security.

This is UK's sovereignty at stake.

Huawei closes technology gap with Apple on chip design
Chinese 4G semiconductors already 'equal to or better than' US tech giant
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SHUHEI YAMADA, Nikkei Asia Tech chief editor
APRIL 24, 2019 18:14 JST



SHANGHAI/TOKYO -- Top Chinese telecommunications equipment maker Huawei Technologies is closing the gap with Apple to develop some of the world's most advanced smartphone chips, on a par with those used in the U.S. tech giant's iconic iPhone, an independent analysis shows.

As the era of fifth-generation wireless networks begins, a break down of Huawei's Mate 20 Pro and Apple's iPhone XS -- both premium 4G smartphones -- shows that the Chinese company's main chip, combining processors and modems, is the equal of Apple-designed semiconductors.

The evidence suggests that in 5G chip technology Huawei could be capable of rivalling Qualcomm, the world leader in mobile chips, whose semiconductors are crucial to Apple's plans for a 5G iPhone. The Chinese company in mid-April boasted it could supply 5G chips to Apple, which recently settled a long-running royalty dispute with Qualcomm.

Both Huawei and Apple-designed chips showed equally advanced features, according to an analysis by Tokyo-based teardown specialist, TechanaLye. Each had a line width of 7 nanometers. A thinner line width means the chips have greater computing and energy-saving capacities. Only three kinds of 7-nm chip were in practical use at the end of 2018, TechanaLye said.

Huawei's development capacity was "equal to or better than Apple's and occupies the world's top level," said TechanaLye CEO Hiroharu Shimizu, a former senior technology executive at Japanese chipmaker Renesas Electronics.

Huawei designs semiconductors at its wholly-owned subsidiary HiSilicon Technologies, founded in 2004. HiSilicon is a fabless chipmaker, meaning the company does not operate its own production. Its technology and scale of operations remain shrouded in secrecy because HiSilicon discloses little information to the media, including for this report.

At this point, Qualcomm and Huawei appear to have the lead in designing 5G-compatible processors. Qualcomm led the market in 4G modems, while a few players such as HiSilicon, Taiwan's MediaTek and Intel has the capability of 4G modem as well.

HiSilicon is unlikely to be selling its cutting edge smartphone semiconductors to third parties, although it has begun to sell chips for other products. According to marketing material obtained by Nikkei, Huawei's secretive chipmaking arm sold more $1 billion worth of chips to companies outside its own group in 2017. U.K. research company IHS Markit estimates that HiSilicon's sales totaled $4 billion in 2017.

The document also indicated that HiSilicon had sold chips for televisions and security cameras. The unit set up a booth to showcase its TV chips at the China Content Broadcasting Network expo in Beijing in late March.

The Huawei unit still lags Qualcomm in scale -- HiSilicon's 2018 sales are estimated at $5.5 billion, against about $16.6 billion for the U.S. chipmaker -- but it is growing quickly.

Huawei began developing its own chips back in the early 1990s at the predecessor company to HiSilicon. But recently its efforts have come under fire in the trade war between China and the U.S., which has sought to halt Beijing's drive to become self-sufficient in the technology crucial to cutting edge innovation. "This is in contrast to [Chinese telecom device maker] ZTE, which was cut off from chip procurement as a result of U.S. sanctions" last year, notes Gu Wenjun, chief analyst at Shanghai-based semiconductor industry researcher ICwise.

Despite its fast growth, HiSilicon does not design and make chips by itself. The company uses intellectual property under license from U.K.-based chip designer Arm Holdings, which is partly owned by Japan's SoftBank Group. It also outsources manufacturing to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world's largest contract chipmaker.

HiSilicon's reliance on Taiwanese production could be a concern for the company if the U.S. pressures Taipei to follow its efforts to shut out Chinese technology. Earlier this year, Huawei asked its suppliers to allocate more production to China, the Nikkei Asian Review reported.

B.I.B. said:

IMO How do we know whether there are'nt problems with Nokia and Erricsons engineering process unless they are subject to the same tests?

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There certainly are, but the difference is that they are west, their backbone routers and core equipment are either made in US or have core components made in US, such as cisco routers, intel chips. Nokia is even more "reliable" than Ericsson because Nokia is the merge of Nokia/Siemens and Lucent from US who is strong in core and trunk lines and big foot print there.

Whether Huawei is more risky than Nokia and Ericsson is really not a matter of technical bugs or backdoors, it is about whose bugs and backdoors they might be. For non-US western countries, the question is who they are willing to be spied on if they have to choose. Apparently, westerners are fine walking naked in front of US, but shy in front of China. Think about the how fast "Merkel spying" went quite compared to the Huawei fiasco. Think about how deep the German intelligent service has been penetrated to the point that NSA has a long list of intercepted phones used by the Chancellorin, the Foreign Minister, the Foreign Ministry and their assistants, multiple phones every entity. Amazing.

manqiangrexue said:

Do not despair, @Gatekeeper @plawolf , and do not cry for racism or injustice. Just grow strong, because the ultimate sin, the one universal reason that rises above all else for mistreatment or suffering, is weakness. People embrace and idolize the strong and reject or pity the weak. Strength transcends skin color.

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Deep down to the bottom, racist act is just one of the many excuses that some people use to gain benefits that otherwise would not be gained under the sun light.
B.I.B. made a good point in the following post. Look here, some Maoris or someone married to former Chinese would do the same, no better than "whites".

B.I.B. said:

Avtually Peters is Maori who have a concern that Asians might outnumber the indigenous Maoris in their own land in the not to distant future. Maoris make up 15% and Asians, close to 12%
BRADY I is married to a Chinese.
BRADY with the help of defected diplomat Chen Yonglin outed a Nz chinese M.P. Jiang Yang.
In short they refuted Yangs story that he had resigned his membership of the CCP. Since Yang once worked for Chinas security service .........she suggesting he could.be a plant.

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taxiya said:

Deep down to the bottom, racist act is just one of the many excuses that some people use to gain benefits that otherwise would not be gained under the sun light. B.I.B. made a good point in the following post. Look here, some Maoris or someone married to former Chinese would do the same, no better than "whites".

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And strength is the only way to resolve it. Racism only takes root when someone can perceive their own race to be superior... or at least not inferior. Those who cannot can sometimes hide under the cover of another nationality (for example a Vietnamese pretending to be American) to be racist against those more powerful than their home country. But when people look at a race that is dominant in the world in sports, technology, military and economy, the racism can really only be positive and is often intertwined with admiration. This Maori person can still be racist against the Chinese despite having a Chinese wife because he views his marriage as his conquest and has no respect for her. Greater understanding and coexistence is not the solution; that is how weak countries gain pity. As I said, the solution is to gain respect through strength.

For example, Chinese people are often derided in America, but among American fans of Olympic weightlifting, China is seen as positive and a great source of admiration. Americans pay tens of thousands of dollars to travel to China to learn Chinese weightlifting, wearing shirts and shoes that say, "Team China." There are often comments of white people saying that Chinese people are genetically superior or that they are the next evolution of mankind. Why? Because Chinese weightlifting is unparalleled in the world. Sometimes at World level competitions, Chinese weightlifters can win more gold medals than the rest of the world combined. While some countries like Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan may experience spurts of gold medal rushes, they are ALWAYS, INVARIABLY ended by huge drug busts. China has always been there and always been at the top, even when Chinese athletes all test clean and their rivals all fail drug tests. Chinese weightlifters lift weights that Americans cannot even dream of. And because of this strength, Chinese culture and genetics are revered and idolized in the weightlifting community. In a country that pervades the myth that Chinese goods are of inferior quality, Chinese weightlifting gear is seen as the gold standard, intelligently designed for superior athletes. To wear Chinese ANTA weightlifting shoes to the gym is to drive a Mercedes; to wear a pair signed by a Chinese champion is to drive a Lamborghini. Nike and Adidas shoes are Camrys and Accords, nothing special. Chinese weightlifters never reached out to them for friendship; they never tried to spread their culture or communicate understanding/tolerance, but they silently rose to the top of people's hearts because they are strong. This is the solution for China for every field in the world.

Via Beijingwalker. Japan and US are becoming minor player in Telco
China in pole position for 5G era with a third of key patents
US and Japan lose market share, as Huawei and ZTE bulk up

AKITO TANAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerMAY 03, 2019 02:02 JST


In stark contrast to 4G, China holds more than a third of key patents associated with the upcoming communications technology, © Getty Images

TOKYO -- Chinese companies account for 34% of worldwide applications for major patents related to 5G technology, putting it in a position to drive the development of new industries that use ultrafast-communication networks.

The latest wireless communication standard can handle huge volumes of data at high speed, and is crucial to the development of technologies such as autonomous driving systems. Whoever controls the most "standard essential patents," or SEPs, for 5G will likely come out on top in the race to develop a new generation of advanced industries.

As of March, China had filed for 34% of SEPs for 5G communication systems, an increase of more than 50% compared with its share of 4G patents, according to IPlytics, a German company that maintains a huge patent database. South Korea had a quarter of key 5G patents, while the share of filings by Japanese and U.S. entities fell compared with the 4G era.

The rise of China marks a clear change from when 3G and 4G were launched. Companies from the U.S. and Europe held the key SEPs at both stages, and Chinese companies had to pay large royalty fees to Western companies.

Royalties for SEPs are often determined through negotiations between patent holders and users. In the case of smartphones, 2% or so of the price of the product is the going rate. Companies with many SEPs sometimes conclude cross-licensing agreements that allow them to use competitors' technology free of charge, depending on the number of technologies and their importance.


Commercial 5G service is expected to begin in the next year or so. Companies looking to build 5G base stations or to make 5G-capable handsets will have to pay royalties to the holders of the essential patents.

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had the largest share of filings for 5G-related SEPs, at 15%. Other top filers in China included

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and the China Academy of Telecommunications Technology, which ranked fifth and ninth, respectively.

The Chinese government is promoting 5G as part of "Made in China 2025," its ambitious plan to lead the world in next-generation technologies and industries. Among its goals is the development of highly automated factories that incorporate "internet of things" technology. To turn that vision into reality, 5G is essential.

Huawei and other Chinese companies began increasing their filings for 5G-related patents around 2016. The telecom equipment maker is reportedly spending $10 billion a year on research and development related to 5G base stations, much more than Sweden's Ericsson or Nokia of Finland, its main rivals. ZTE, a domestic competitor, has also increased its market share in base stations and other equipment.

South Korea also makes a strong showing in applications for 5G SEPs. Most of this was due to and , which were No. 3 and No. 4 in terms of filings, according to IPlytics figures. U.S. entities accounted for 14% of filings for 5G patents, down from 16% for 4G. Japan's share of filings fell to 5% from 9%. Qualcomm, a leading U.S. manufacturer of smartphone chips, saw its share of filings fall, as did Japan's and .

Companies with many SEPs can earn considerable royalty income, and make their base stations, smartphones and other equipmentmore competitive on price. In addition, countries with many 5G patent holders will be able to build advanced communications networks more cheaply and foster the growth of related industries.

The U.S. has shut Huawei out of its 5G market, citing national security concerns, and it is pressing its allies to follow suit. But because Huawei holds much of the intellectual property for 5G technology, it can earn royalties in the U.S. even if it cannot sell products there, according to IPlytics CEO Tim Pohlmann.

The spread of 4G technology fueled the growth of YouTube and other video-sharing services. The next-generation of wireless technology is expected to bring a new wave of products and services, in addition to the further enhancing smartphone services. The battle for 5G supremacy could determine who tomorrow's tech leaders are.