Well, it still serve the purpose of spreading the truth to anyone who care for.
Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?
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You know. While Western countries like USA, Australia and their vassalage Japan block Huawei and ZTE countries like Saudi-Arabia and United Arab Emirates have invited them in their country but meanwhile in China they think positive of the West and negative of Muslim countries. I think that should change, rapidly and drastically.
Jura The idiot
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don't use profanity and trolling accusations just like that please
PeoplesPoster
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You are right in that "echo chamber" is not about right or wrong. It is more about preaching to the choir.
Laws as you alluded and to the extend that both of us can agree is that they govern societal behaviour between prohibition and permission. Where we defer and that I addressed (not to you directly) is that intitutiions either protect or abuse the laws that are meant to protect its citizens. That was my emphasis in my comments about the behaviour of an oppressed state. If you wish, I am happy to hear your rebuttal concerning my initial comments regarding the notion of freedom relative to the practices of how institutions are abused as a mean to oppress and control its citizens.
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I thought the discussion was about Huawei. I presented the reasoning on why Australia considers it a security risk and that a decision was based on risk management. How or earth did it degenerate into some kind of postulation about slavery and colonization? I am happy to have a conversation about moral equivalence and the pontification of moral duties and obligations but this will be seriously off thread. I don't know the history on this. I have no intention on dwelling into a case where I don't know the history and the facts. In particular I don't know what international and intellectual property laws were prevailing during that period. It is either legal or illegal. Since you brought it up, tell me what laws were broken then.
We are now in 2019. In 2017, China legislated a statute that basically it can at will demand Huawei and any other commercial Chinese companies to be an extension of the state intelligence apparatus. AFAIK, a designated company cannot decline and neither can it disclose publicly that it has become a conduit for intelligence gathering. China by design has decided to take this route. Other nations will necessarily assess the risk and make their own decisions accordingly to a perceived threat and yet the conversation has entirely shifted to become Huawei/China as the victim. Better still some moral equivalence conversation. Please don't insult our intelligence.
Jura The idiot
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yeah noticed some pro-China team members using their version of here LOL
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In which country? Define abuse and oppression. In both the US and China institutions are required to cooperate with the government should there be an investigation into the criminal activity of its patrons. Are such investigations the definition of "abuse" and "oppression"?
China military Semiconductor already decoupled from the west.
The Beidou receiver, Loongson CPU, CETC DSP , UnilC memory ,GaN/GaAs AESA transceiver all manufactured inside China and could even done using Chinese equipment only. This is far more than Soviet able to accomplished. Soviet able to compete straight on with US with only vaccum tube technology .
Commercially, it will takes sometimes, soon or later manufacturing firm like TSMC will run into a wall, process can't go below 3 nm that will allow Chinese manufacturing firms to catch up.
At worst case, if US stopped Chinese firms from using TSMC, and Samsung foundry, then China have to give up high-end electronic product for Western countries market. So be it. Everything else China can cover. Definitely be self sufficient and decoupled from US
And then wait till Chinese equipments catch up to western counter part. Like I said before soon or later, limit of physics will be reached, Western firms will hit a wall.
The Beidou receiver, Loongson CPU, CETC DSP , UnilC memory ,GaN/GaAs AESA transceiver all manufactured inside China and could even done using Chinese equipment only. This is far more than Soviet able to accomplished. Soviet able to compete straight on with US with only vaccum tube technology .
Commercially, it will takes sometimes, soon or later manufacturing firm like TSMC will run into a wall, process can't go below 3 nm that will allow Chinese manufacturing firms to catch up.
At worst case, if US stopped Chinese firms from using TSMC, and Samsung foundry, then China have to give up high-end electronic product for Western countries market. So be it. Everything else China can cover. Definitely be self sufficient and decoupled from US
And then wait till Chinese equipments catch up to western counter part. Like I said before soon or later, limit of physics will be reached, Western firms will hit a wall.
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