Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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Hendrik_2000

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disputes are commercial in nature and so settlements are typically driven by commercial decisions. Have you read the 28 page January 16th 2019 indictment filed against Huawei? I have. We will see how Huawei get out of this one.
It is trump up charges that has no merit politically driven to force China to make concession on the trade talk Confirm by trump statement that depending how the discussion goes he will drop the charges talking about independent of justice

In January 2018, France’s Le Monde newspaper published an
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, based on multiple sources, which found that from January 2012 to January 2017 servers based inside the AU’s headquarters in Addis Ababa were transferring data between 12 midnight and 2 am—every single night—to unknown servers more than 8,000 kilometres away hosted in Shanghai. Following the discovery of what media referred to as ‘data theft’, it was also
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that microphones hidden in desks and walls were detected and removed during a sweep for bugs.

You might attempt to discredit the report as some disgruntle French employee but other media outlets,
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, confirmed the data theft in reports published after the Le Monde investigation. The Le Monde report also said that since the discovery of the data theft, ‘the AU has acquired its own servers and declined China’s offer to configure them’. Other media reports
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that servers and equipment were replaced and that following the incident ‘other enhanced security features have also been installed’.

Le monde , figaro are all right wing french newspaper who regurgitate false report and try to make it a news
Newspaper was never source of good intelligence It would lend more credence if French network security agency issue the charges but newspaper? Witness the recent fake news from Boomberg about Chinese putting backdoor on the server that swiftly denied by both Apple and Amazon.com
When you repeat lie thousand times it become truth
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The denial are standard political spin.
There is a playbook that seems common these days. If all fail, claim racism.

Australia is country full of racist they are paranoid living on the edge of Asian mainland but have an arrogant , condescending and hubris attitude toward their neighbor
Just google Australia racist here it is
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tidalwave

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Huawei is the only China company that has a major chip R&D center for long long time in Silicon Valley, its building is right next to Nvidia headquarter. They have absorbed the best of US IC design in Silicon valley has to offered. More than 15 yrs already...whatever they have done there probably transferred to hisilicon in China already. From there, they branched out to EU, Japan, india R&D.
This is what separated it from rest of China companies. It is the only company that can compete head to head against the best in the Western market.

Even if US government shut down Huawei R&D center in US, it's too late already. It has done it's job and served its purpose.
 
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anyway
US suffers setbacks in effort to ban Chinese tech company
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The U.S. government’s fight to ban Chinese tech giant
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from next-generation internet networks appears to be flagging.

The two sides faced off Tuesday at the world's biggest mobile technology trade fair, in Barcelona, Spain, where they sought to win over customers and governments.

The U.S. argues Huawei is a security risk as it could give the Chinese government backdoor access to snoop on internet users worldwide. Huawei rejects the claim, which it says is part of the United States' broader effort to stifle China's economic and technological ascent.

On Tuesday, a top Huawei executive used a keynote speech at the show, called MWC Barcelona, to poke fun at U.S. intelligence.

“PRISM, PRISM, on the wall, who is the most trustworthy of them all?” said
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, Huawei’s rotating chairman, in a reference to a U.S. data gathering program.

“If you don’t understand that, you can go ask
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,” he told the audience, referring to the former National Security Agency contractor who exposed the program in 2013.

Under the PRISM program, the NSA, pursuant to secret court orders, collected intelligence about foreign threats through U.S. Internet companies.

In raising the U.S. government's history of snooping on citizens, Guo appeared to seek to portray the United States as hypocritical in accusing the Chinese of being a risk for users' data privacy.

Huawei is the world’s biggest maker of networking equipment used by phone and internet companies, and its gear is considered by experts as affordable and high quality.

Banning the company from supplying the networks — work that is ongoing in many countries this year — could delay the rollout of 5G networks, which are meant to power the next generation of technological innovation, from self-driving cars to remote surgery.

Huawei made its presence felt at the four-day conference in Barcelona, where some 100,000 visitors are expected and the company's red logo featured widely. It unveiled an expensive, new foldable phone that made headlines and turned attention to a product that's not facing any global controversy.

The United States government also dispatched a delegation to lobby its case, which it has pressed with allies across the world in recent weeks.

"The global nature of data flows and interconnectedness means that threats to U.S. networks have a direct bearing on the security of our allies, just as threats to our allies networks have a direct bearing on the security of the United States," said Robert Strayer, the top U.S. diplomat for cybersecurity policy.

"To this end the United States is asking other governments and the private sector to consider the threat posed by Huawei and other Chinese information technology companies."

Strayer did not detail specific security threats Huawei poses, despite being asked by reporters to do so in a news briefing on the show's sidelines.

In a Feb. 26 Department of Defense news release, acting Secretary of Defense Patrick M. Shanahan commented, “Secure and resilient 5G telecommunications is vital to the security and prosperity of the United States, and DoD is working closely with our industrial and research partners to develop comprehensive and innovative solutions for both the Department and commercial industries. The United States and our allies and partners must demand nothing less than robust, trusted, and secure next-generation communications systems.”

The U.S. campaign took a symbolic hit after the United Arab Emirates, a key ally in the Middle East, said it would use Huawei in its networks. And European allies are balking at banning the company outright.

Strayer denied Washington was retaliating as part of a broader trade war between the U.S. and China, saying the motivation was based on security concerns partly related to Chinese laws requiring companies to comply with intelligence requests.

Strayer called Huawei "duplicitous and deceitful," pointing out that U.S prosecutors have charged the company with intellectual property theft and allege its chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, committed fraud by misleading banks about Huawei's business dealings in Iran.

However, it's far from clear that telecom executives in Europe and other regions are buying Washington's argument, with leaders of some of the biggest mobile operators calling for fact-based security assessments.

The U.S. is "fighting an uphill battle" against the telecom industry, said Paul Triolo, head of geotechnology at the Eurasia Group consultancy. "They don't have a smoking gun here," so they're trying to build a stronger case around the company's behavior and issues with the Chinese government, he said.

Guo, one of three Huawei executives who take turns as chairman, said the telecom industry needs unified standards and clear regulations. He rejected the U.S. allegations.

"We don't do bad things. Here, let me say this as clear as possible. Huawei has not and we will never plant 'backdoors' and we will never allow anyone to do so in our equipment."

Underscoring the company's growing momentum in fighting the U.S. allegations, the telecom provider Etisalat of the United Arab Emirates, a strong U.S. ally in the Mideast, said it signed a deal with Huawei to deploy its 5G technology. Majority government-owned Etisalat is one of two main mobile providers in the UAE.

Etisalat offered no financial terms for the deal it signed with Huawei.

The UAE has increasingly courted Chinese investment in the country as its real-estate market sags through a downturn. Chinese construction firms meanwhile rapidly build highway overpasses and infrastructure at the site of the 2020 World Expo, or world's fair, in Dubai. Chinese President Xi Jingping visited the Emirates last June.

The U.S. Embassy in Abu Dhabi did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the Huawei deal. The UAE hosts some 5,000 American troops, many at the Al Dhafra Air Base in Abu Dhabi.

Dubai also is the busiest port of call for the U.S. Navy outside of the United States.
 
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Huawei "doesn't do bad things": Chairman Guo Ping
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Huawei Rotating Chairman Guo Ping reiterated that his company does not "do bad things" when he took the stage at MWC 2019 (formerly Mobile World Congress) in Barcelona on Tuesday.

Guo Ping spoke during a debate on cyber security against the backdrop of mounting pressure from the U.S. on Western governments not to use the Chinese telecomms company's technology in the construction of their upcoming 5G networks.

5G and the ultra-high connection speeds it offers will be vital for the development of the Internet of Things (IoT), the digital economy and autonomous and connected cars.

Speaking at MWC 2019, Guo Ping sought to calm security fears. "To build a system that we all can trust, we need aligned responsibility, unified standards and clear regulations," he said.

"We can proudly say that 5G is safer than 4G. As a vendor, we don't operate carriers' networks and we don't own carrier data."

He flatly rejected claims from the U.S. government that Huawei had broken intellectual property rules or was involved in espionage.

"What we promise is that we don't do anything bad: we don't do bad things," Guo Ping insisted.

The U.S. government is reportedly seeking to ban Huawei from supplying infrastructure for its 5G networks, but Guo Ping had a clear message for other countries considering making the same decision.

"Let me say this as clear as possible: Huawei has not and will never plant backdoors. And we will never allow anyone to do so in our equipment. We take this responsibility very seriously," Guo said.

"The U.S. security accusation on our 5G has no evidence -- nothing. ... So, for the best technology and greater security, choose Huawei. Please choose Huawei, thank you," he concluded.

Vincent Pang, president of Huawei's Western Europe region, also spoke to the press about the security issue, arguing that his company "hasn't had a single security incident in the 15 years we have been in Europe".

He said the Chinese government had "never" asked for Huawei to "install backdoors" into its technology, and stressed that the company knows that "the 5G rollout requires the highest levels of confidence, but it is a technical challenge, not a political one".
 

taxiya

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Huawei is the only China company that has a major chip R&D center for long long time in Silicon Valley, its building is right next to Nvidia headquarter. They have absorbed the best of US IC design in Silicon valley has to offered. More than 15 yrs already...whatever they have done there probably transferred to hisilicon in China already. From there, they branched out to EU, Japan, india R&D.
This is what separated it from rest of China companies. It is the only company that can compete head to head against the best in the Western market.

Even if US government shut down Huawei R&D center in US, it's too late already. It has done it's job and served its purpose.
You are overstating Huawei's expertise. Huawei is NO difference from the rest of Chinese companies in regards of Chip. Just like Qualcomm they are ALL chip designers, NOT chip makers.

Qualcomm does NOT make its own Snapdragon, it ask Samsung and TSMC to do it. Huawei and other Chinese companies do the same, maybe TSMC or maybe SMIC. In this regards, at this moment TSMC is at 7nm while SMIC is 12nm, Samsung's 7nm is delayed.

Compared with the 1970s and before, Huawei and Qualcomm are the ones designing this
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Samsung, TSMC and SMIC etc. are translating the above to this
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They are specialized in totally different areas and different phases of product developments.

The only exception here (in terms mobile chips) is Samsung which does both well. It designs and fabricates its own SoC.

Huawei is a great company, but no need to treat Huawei as a fetish or cult, neither need to downplay other Chinese companies' achievement.
 

Equation

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now I read
Huawei "doesn't do bad things": Chairman Guo Ping
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"What we promise is that we don't do anything bad: we don't do bad things," Guo Ping insisted.
I think Trump's orator skills are starting to rub off on people...
 

taxiya

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Well, I don't think Huawei is a strength just yet. If it is, the US would not attack it. It is a young tiger that, everyone knows, will be growing up to become the king of the jungle. The entire world sees it and understands its potential. At the current stage, Huawei is, however, still a teenager that is still weak and can be attacked. That's why the US is focusing everything it's got to attack it. The US would not have attacked Huawei if Huawei has matured to realize its true potential.
To be true, everyone is as weak as Huawei. In these days, no single companies can do everything from theoretical research to making all components like Sony making TVes in the 1970s. Huawei's weakness in making its own integrated chip is shared by Ericsson, Nokia and ZTE. If for whatever reason US decided to hit Ericsson, Ericsson would have faired no better than ZTE. The reason is the global supply chain connected companies of different expertise.

The only reason that Huawei now and ZTE past were targeted by US is that China is the called-out rival (enemy) of US, while Sweden and Finland are under control. US attacking Huawei and ZTE is not because Huawei is not a strength (of China). It is because China does not control the whole supply chain which include some American components. If hypothetically China has the controlling power over Sweden, Nokia and South Korea (Samsung), China can block and delay 5G building in US putting US at the receiving end even though Qualcomm is still a true strength of US.
 

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You are overstating Huawei's expertise. Huawei is NO difference from the rest of Chinese companies in regards of Chip. Just like Qualcomm they are ALL chip designers, NOT chip makers.

Qualcomm does NOT make its own Snapdragon, it ask Samsung and TSMC to do it. Huawei and other Chinese companies do the same, maybe TSMC or maybe SMIC. In this regards, at this moment TSMC is at 7nm while SMIC is 12nm, Samsung's 7nm is delayed.

Compared with the 1970s and before, Huawei and Qualcomm are the ones designing this
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Samsung, TSMC and SMIC etc. are translating the above to this
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They are specialized in totally different areas and different phases of product developments.

The only exception here (in terms mobile chips) is Samsung which does both well. It designs and fabricates its own SoC.

Huawei is a great company, but no need to treat Huawei as a fetish or cult, neither need to downplay other Chinese companies' achievement.
lol watch tidalwave not even respond to your rationale

he’s a troll here to stir up shit

China cannot decouple from US supply chain or else it will lose competitiveness.
TSMC is highly dependent on US and European companies for their hardware and materials. It’s impossible to be self sufficent these days. Even US needs ASML EUV machines or there’s no way they can reach 10 or 7nm.
 
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