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Just4Fun

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I would love to see your radar equation

I would love to see your radar equation of the Sayyad-2C against a F-35/F-22.

How good F-35/F-22 really is doesn't make big difference in US's war against Iran. If the F-35/F-22 is really good, Trump would not chicken out.
Also remember, Iran has the ability to shoot back with missiles at any one in the ME, including the US military stationed there.
 

Just4Fun

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How Trump's Iran Gamble is Killing the Dollar

Trump's Iran gamble is not only making himself miserable, but also sets a lot things moving in unknown direction. But one thing's movement is clear. That is, the dollar is moving towards death. Trump's chicken-out in front of Iran's shooting down the US MQ-4 drone is the biggest accelerator to speed up the death of the dollar.

First, Trump destroyed America's credibility. America's credibility in the world is gone, and gone for ever. Everyone not only knows, but also has to accept the so-called "the world's only unrivaled superpower" is indeed a paper-tiger. This is a huge psychological blow to many people in Taiwan and beyond, and starts a chain reactions around the globe. Those people in Taiwan who believed, as later as last month, that the US would fight for Taiwan Independence, now have to admit the US doesn't have such an ability to do so. Japan and S.Korea will have to re-examine the value of their loyalty to the US. As Trump is retreating from the world under the banner of "America First", a China-centered new Asia is in the making. And very likely a new world order.

Second, Trump thrust America into the War-debt noose further. America now is one step closer to its graveyard. Every declining empire is struggling with two issues when it approaches its graveyard: (1) Wars, unwinnable wars that the dying empire has to fight, even though it knows they are unwinnable; (2) Debts, unpayable debts that the dying empire has to borrow, or rollover even though it knows these debts are time-bombs. Trump's America is now struck in an unwinnable war with Iran, and in unpayable war bills that come with its Iranian war. America's Iranian war has officially started regardless how the US responds to Iran's shooting down US's MQ-4 UAV. When this could end? There is no end is in sight. Trump still boasts that his "maximum pressure" is working. Oh, boy, you can't continue your economic warfare against Iran without big military deployment in the gulf, and big military deployment there costs a lot of money, and debts. Worse ever, in the end, you still have to choose fight or flight because your economic warfare will never work without credible military enforcement. Fight or flight, none is good for the US. Fight against Iran will be another Vietnam war. Flight will completely destroy the dollar. Do-nothing to Iran will only make Iran stronger. The ME wars are America version of British Boer wars that you can't win and can't escape.

Third, Trump's chicken-out in Iran's shooting down the US drone is shaking the corner stones of Petro-dollar, speeding up the death of the dollar. Without Saudis' and Gulf countries' commitment to Petro-dollar, the dollar is just as ordinary as India's Rupee, or Brazil's Real, or China's RMB. At the time the Petro-dollar was conceived right after Nixon's abandonment of dollar's gold standard in 1971, the US offered the Saudis two incentives, the security of Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries, and the freedom of using American financial instruments to store the wealth that they have made from their crude oil trade. These two incentives are the corner stones to buy the Saudis' loyalty to the dollar. Now, the security that the US has promised the Saudis is gone. Anther incentive is losing its attraction. China has been working to open up its capital market to the world. Once China's capital market is opened up big enough to allow the Saudis to move their huge wealth accumulated in the past fifty years' oil and gas business from the dollar to the RMB, the dollar is ead. The Saudis haven't abandon the dollar yet, not because they are unwavering believers of the dollar, but because there is no safe place to store the money they have made in the past fifty years. They are waiting. Once they think the time is right, they will ditch the dollar just as quickly, as determined as the Russians did.
 

Brumby

Major
How good F-35/F-22 really is doesn't make big difference in US's war against Iran. If the F-35/F-22 is really good, Trump would not chicken out.
Also remember, Iran has the ability to shoot back with missiles at any one in the ME, including the US military stationed there.

I have no interest in discussing how good or not the F-35/F-22 is or political iterations of hypotheticals. The question was about radar equation viz a viz the Sayyard since that was raised.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Most of their Airforce is 1960s era. Most of their conventional ground forces the same.
The return they were getting was thin. Even against a modern X band it’s not going to get a solid return.
UHF Radar are huge and produce a nebulous return. This is why X band is the preferred system.
They may gain a return but the quality and ability to render that actionable is doubious.

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F117 was THE first generation of Stealth aircraft it was designed solely to avoid attack by radar. It lacked a huge set of mission equipment. The System it faced was a Buk from which the Iranian system is an “Improved model”.

F22 and F35 are the operation unto it’s self designed for high risk air Defence zones. They are as much sensors and Electronic warfare platforms as fighters. they come complete with a substantial Countermeasures capability. UHF band radar is over hyped.

MQ4C Triton lacks a reduced cross section and many defenses There is no “Stealth mode”. Despite Iranian claims it may well have been operating in a perceived permissive zone until someone decided to change the rules. Subsonic and designed for cruise efficiency it’s basically undefended. Any SAM system could have made the downing with out any issue. Which is what I was trying to point to. The fact that that system and a P8 Poseidon ( 737 based with a crew of 9) were employed at altitude should raise questions of what ROE was employed by the Iranians and where There claimed air space starts.

So, start with the obvious errors:
1. the F-117 was killed by a stock S-125 system, designed in the 50s, deployed in 61. It was already outdated when the F-117 first took off from an airstrip in 82. The shooting down of the F117 with that system was like killing an F-18 with a MIG-21 - both of them similar vintage. The BUK is several generations later system, more capable than the S125, that was decommissioned in Russia around 90-95. And the original BUK is scraped as well : D
2. the difference in vhf/x band is simple physic . The size of f22/35 , and even the B2/21 close to the Raleigh scattering , so the shape and coating has next to zero effect on these frequencies.
3. The iranian system that the F-35 has to face is five generation newer than the system that killed the F117. The generation / technological gap is bigger than between the F117 and F35

The F117 was found and targeted by an improved second world war radar system. I can not highlight more how primitive was that equipment.


The sensors doesn't worth much in a multi layer air defence network. The SAM batteries will be activated as the fire command arrives, neither of them actively emit.

And again, the same about the jammed stealth drone: how they found it in the desert earlier than a tomahawk, if they didn't know the position of it ?
 

Anlsvrthng

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I would love to see your radar equation

I would love to see your radar equation of the Sayyad-2C against a F-35/F-22.
Google keyword :"radar equation"

It is simple, if a radar can see a mig21 ( 1 sqm) fro 100 km ,then it can see a 0.0625 sqm target from 50km, a 0.0039 sqm target from 25 km and so on.

So ,depending on the real RCS number of F35 , it can be seen in SEARCH mode by a Khordad-3 radar somewhere between 20-50 km distance.

If the radar has clue from a VHF early radar then the detection range can be longer ( up to double )

So, the no go zone around each Khordad-3, BUK and so on is around 20-50 km for stealth aircraft. Get closer and the plane killed.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I looked at the video which showed the debris.
The drone seemed to have large honeycomb panels. I don't know if this was to reduce weight or to reduce radar return.
But I would assume the RQ-4 does in fact have some stealth characteristics. Of course not as much as the RQ-170.

The Sayyaad-3 is no slouch though. It has similar or better range and speed compared with the Patriot PAC-2. The radar component is also allegedly an AESA.
Honeycomb structures in parts like wings and fuselage are common in general Aviation they are to reduce weight. Just as composites are common in general aviation. This is also why the Iranians were able to recover parts that might have been in there claimed waters. Those reduced weight parts floated.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
How good F-35/F-22 really is doesn't make big difference in US's war against Iran. If the F-35/F-22 is really good, Trump would not chicken out.
Also remember, Iran has the ability to shoot back with missiles at any one in the ME, including the US military stationed there.
Bull.
The biggest risk isn’t the direct response it’s the indirect the IRGC and it’s partner across the Middle East. Besides why start a conflict over a drone? Better just to reenforce sanctioning and keep an eye on the strait.
You also have Russia going to bat for Iran trying to reduce tensions.
 

localizer

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I looked at the video which showed the debris.
The drone seemed to have large honeycomb panels. I don't know if this was to reduce weight or to reduce radar return.
But I would assume the RQ-4 does in fact have some stealth characteristics. Of course not as much as the RQ-170.

The Sayyaad-3 is no slouch though. It has similar or better range and speed compared with the Patriot PAC-2. The radar component is also allegedly an AESA.
I remember an boeing friend said it reduces noise and vibration.
 

Just4Fun

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Bull.
The biggest risk isn’t the direct response it’s the indirect the IRGC and it’s partner across the Middle East. Besides why start a conflict over a drone? Better just to reenforce sanctioning and keep an eye on the strait.
You also have Russia going to bat for Iran trying to reduce tensions.
The biggest risk isn’t the direct response it’s the indirect the IRGC and it’s partner across the Middle East.

So, at least you know a US shooting war against Iran will be messy and bloody. And the war will spread to the whole region. You're smarter than many guys in the White House.

Besides why start a conflict over a drone?

Before starting to bully someone, make self-protection first. The sad fact is that the US doesn't know the rule. Trump thought it's going to be an easy win in his Iran gamble, but he is slammed at face by Iran's shooting down the drone. It shows to the world that the US is a toothless, stupid bully.

An aide's coughing in an inappropriate time can cause Trump's temper tantrum, why Iran's shooting down the US drone that is worth more than $200 millions can go easy with Trump? Is it because the toothless bully knows it is not going to be an easy win?

Better just to reenforce sanctioning and keep an eye on the strait.

Re-enforce what? Without an effective control of the whole territory, seas and air of Iran, your sanctions and enforcement is a joke.

Try to think of the scenario of stopping Iranian oil smuggling. Are you really able to stop, board, and search every boat coming for and leaving from any Iranian port? Or stop, board, and search every trains coming for and leaving from Iran? A small Iranian boat only one or two yards long, but armed with portable missiles and other explosives, can easily sink a big US destroyer if you let it get close to you. And it is certainly not a nice picture that a bunch of US board-search sailors kneel down on the boat's floor, raising their hands high in the air, begging for their life under Iranians' gun point.

You also have Russia going to bat for Iran trying to reduce tensions.
Both Russia and China would feel obligated to ship their most advanced missiles to Iran to hit US military targets, if a US-Iran shooting war erupts. Don't blame them, blame the sanctions and tariffs that Trump brought on them, and blame the fact that Iran is an Observer member of China-Russia-led Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Re-enforce what? Without an ef


Whats happened with the oil export of Iran is not connected to sea blockade, but due to the impossibility to get insurance for the oil shipments to/from Iran.

But if one-two more tanker damaged in the Persian gulf then it will be impossible to get insurance for any tanker from Saudi Arabia as well.
 
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