Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

LawLeadsToPeace

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You've taken my post out of context. My post was apart of a wider conversation in which we discussed the state of NVG usage in the PLA.

The "GEN 1" section was a correction to a post a previous user made, in which he claimed/came to the conclusion the BBG011A is GEN 1, I corrected that by giving them the info of the fact that it was based off the French LUCIE NVG (which is a GEN 2A). If you read the whole conversation, if would have made sense but reading the post itself would mostly like end in conclusions in which you have done.
Good point. I’ll compile the conversation right here:
According to some articles I searched on the web, the newest one they got (the one we saw in the parade) uses a tech called the NVT 7 micro-optical image intensifier. Here is a comparison between the old and new ones (keep in mind that the photos below are unfortunately not of the highest quality):
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So, I would say the Chinese got to Gen 3. As for what they are currently fielding aside from the new ones, well, you got the Leishen Commandos with their gen 2's:
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and recon units with their Gen 1's:
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In short, unlike the US military, the PLA is very inconsistent with how they distribute and upgrade their nvg's. As for the PAP, well, for whatever the PLA got in regards to infantry gear, they got them as well, perhaps even better gear as evidenced in the equipment thread.

Hi, I usually wouldn't talk on SDF but I've notice some of the things people have said and I'd like to correct you on some of them.

The "GEN 1" night vision devices you are referring to is the BBG011A and it is the most commonly issued night vision goggles for the PLA. It is based off the French LUCIE NVG with minor improvements such as allowing it to accept more common tubes on the market. The BBG011A is a singular tube but has simulates bino like the PVS-7. So far it's been mostly seen issued to recon units or tezhan units (特战) . BBG011A uses gen 2+ tubes,
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Regarding which generation it belongs to, I believe its best for you to just do a few more researching, a simple googling would have done the job like I had.

The state of China's NVG situation is complex and are often based on speculations but China has the ability to produce Gen3 NVGs but when it comes down to issuing those Gen 3 NVGs, it is literally because the PLA came in late into the "NVGs for soldiers" spectrum and budgetary issues. (Personally, considering the state of the Ground Force itself with how the resources have been directed to PLAN and PLAAF. I am not surprised)

The new "NVG" that has been seen with the Xingkong kit is a digital NVG is not suppose to be a night vision device as its primary function but are focused on the digital side, the IFF system, the datalink, navigation etc. (Sort of like what you'd see in Arma 3) The PLA had been experimenting with digital NVGs for a while now but digital gets inherently worse low light performance with the current state of technology and the new digital NVGs has been not performing well in extreme low light conditions and some PLA soldiers saying it's worse then their gen 2s. It's worth noting that the PLA itself knows the digital NVGs are terrible and it's not meant to replace the I2 tubes but to provide a cheaper solution for night navigation capabilities.

The said digital "nvg" has also been seen issued as a standalone. Most noticeably out west, here is a picture of a commander of a 76th SOF battalion in Panggong lake last year. (This might also mean it's more a quick stop gap solution.) View attachment 70952

Lastly, what you've stated about the PAP is not correct, they either get the hand downs from the PLA or buy their own night vision devices.
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drowingfish

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Really? Do you have a source for that?

Some people claim that the new Chinese NVG is not very good and is more like a camera with low framerate… I wonder if we really know the specs…
as someone who has used NVG before, i would say the important thing is to have the capability, that it is not as good as the best out there is of secondary importance. even good NVG's still give you very limited range, resolution and depth perception, they are not meant to make night look like day. if you have an nvg that allows you to not lose sight of the person to your left and right in woods then it is good enough. if you want nvg to be useful in a gunfight better to mount a infrared scope on your rifle.
 

Aniah

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must be an elite unit, even random soldiers have the smart terminal. normally it is only officers or sergeants.
I think they are being more spread out now. I've been seeing regular troops started to use the latest gears as well. I believe sooner rather than later almost all troops will be fitted with such gear.
 
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